Part 28 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Mitt Ryan

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    Well not exactly. We have to remember that while animals are not capable of speaking, there are powerful beings out there (God, the angels, satan, the demons) who are capable of the impossible, including enabling animals to speak.

    Most scholars hold that it was Satan in the Garden of Eden who was speaking through the snake, not the snake itself speaking on its own. Thus, the Genesis 3 account it is not suggesting that snakes were of an intellect that would have enabled them to speak coherently.

    That is absolutely true, from the rib of Adam, the first man, God fashioned and created Eve, the first woman. Now if you want to know why God did it that way, go ahead and ask and I shall give you a response.

    The King James Version of the Bible does mention a unicorn. The original Hebrew is the word re'em which was translated monokeros in the Septuagint and unicornis in the Latin Vulgate. The original Hebrew word basically means "beast with a horn."

    The re'em is believed to refer to aurochs or urus, large cattle which roamed Europe and Asia in ancient times. What we do know is that the Bible is not referring to the mythological "unicorn," the horse-with-a-horn creature of fairy tales and fantasy literature.

    It is highly unlikely that the KJV translators believed in the mythological unicorn. Rather, they simply used the Latin term that described a "beast with a horn."

    You must be referring to Isaiah 55:12 which is part of the passage of "Invitation to the Lord's Salvation". Here let me bring that verse up:

    "For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands."---Isaiah 55:12 KJV

    Obviously you're making the mistake that many non-believers make which is to misinterpret Scripture. The verse here is not literally saying that "trees clapped their hands" nor is it saying that "the mountains and hills are singing"...lol

    The language here used by the prophet Isaiah is poetic in nature. Language like this is common in Isaiah, where all nature is called on to rejoice, or where inanimate objects are represented as expressing their sympathy with the joy of the people of God.

    This is true, the mighty power of our Creator Almighty God stopped the earth from rotating just for one day to help the nation of Israel defeat its enemies.

    This is also true, the Great Flood of Noah covered the entire earth and the water covered even the highest mountains on earth, rising more than 22 feet above the highest peaks.

    Note: I will address your 6 remaining statements later.
     
  2. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    As it says in Genesis 11:1-9 (ISV) = The Tower in Babylon

    11 "There was a time when the entire earth spoke a common language with an identical vocabulary. 2 As people migrated westward, they came across a plain in the region of Shinar and settled there. 3 They told each other, “Come on! Let’s burn bricks thoroughly.” They used bricks for stone and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come on! Let’s build ourselves a city and a tower, with its summit in the heavens, and let’s make a name for ourselves so we won’t be scattered over the surface of the whole earth.”
    5 However, the Lord descended to look over the city and the tower that the humans were building. 6 The Lord said, “Look! They are one people with the same language for all of them, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. Nothing that they have a mind to do will be impossible for them! 7 Come on! Let’s go down there and confuse their language, so that they won’t understand each other’s speech.”
    8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the surface of the whole earth, so that they had to stop building the city. 9 Therefore it was called Babylon, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth, and from there the Lord scattered them over the surface of the entire earth."
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 11&version=ISV

    Hammurabi was an Amorite and he was able to turn the dusty little town of Babylonian into a major regional power, even forcing Assyria to pay tribute. Naturally, after his death his son was unable to keep things going and Babylon fell on hard times. That ties in with verse 8.

    BTW, the Amorite language was the main language for all of the various ethnic groups in the area until Babylon's decline.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammurabi

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorites
     
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    Thanks......
    Known Amorites wrote in a dialect of Akkadian found on tablets at Mari dating from 1800–1750 BC. Since the language shows northwest Semitic forms, words and constructions, the Amorite language is believed to be a northwest branch of the Canaanite languages, whose other members were; Hebrew, Phoenician, Edomite, Moabite, Ammonite, Sutean, Punic/Carthaginian and Amalekite. The main sources for the extremely limited knowledge about Amorite are the proper names, not Akkadian in style, that are preserved in such texts.

    The Akkadian language of the native Semites of Mesopotamia (Akkad, Assyria, Isin, Larsa, Ur etc.), was from the east Semitic, as was Eblaite.


    Interesting that they were at some point considered "giants".. and they may have been from the Levant.
     
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    ....He-man, Skeletor.........
     
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    Oh, fantastic!!!!! Thank Dawkins you've changed the Christian doctrine of sending non-believers to "hell", seeing how "Christians have and is always in the forefront defending all the victims of oppression"....religious oppression, that is. You've obviously re-written your Bible, good work!!!!
     
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    Sometime in the middle of 2016.
     
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    The bible also says...

    Because only women have "familiar spirits".. and we all know from watching Harry Potter that wizards are real!


    Because we all know women deserve this...god says so!


    Yes for sure god wants women burnt to death!


    I could go on and on but somehow I get the feeling that you'll just make excuses for these atrocious behaviors simply because you god did it... when any one else would be jailed for it!

    And if your going to give me the old stand by that " that was in the old days" let me point out just how silly this makes this god of yours appear!

    If it's wrong today it was wrong yesterday also!!
     
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    Making a lot of assumptions and pretending to explain the mind of this god of yours is just lame. You don't have any proof that you've correctly read the mind of your god other than your dusty old bible that you interpret one way and reasonable christians interpret another way.

    These silly answers are just YOUR interpretation of the book and differ greatly from other reasonable thinking christians. You see one thing and other christians see something else in this book and this is proof positive that the bible is an inkblot and people simply see what they want to see in it... and everyone sees something different.

    And that is proof positive that your god needs a better editor or ghost writer. If it were the real word of some god it would say what it means and mean what it says and there would be no need for silly christian apologists to tell us what this linguistically challenged god of yours really means when he has the incorrect words put into his book.!

    P.S. If more mental gymnastics is what you are going to fling around at us...don't bother with answering the other six as I expect they will be just as useless as the former comments!
     
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    And I expect the answers will be just as silly and useless as the ones he has addressed!

    Some one needs to explain to him and his little buddy just how catastrophic it would be for all life if the planet just suddenly stopped turning!

    On second thought never mind as I'm sure he'll just poo poo it away as he does with all other logical and reasonable objections to this book of fairy tales!
     
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    When it comes to believing the bible as 100% literal, all human logic and reason has to go out the window.

    For with God, all things are possible. Even if the rest of the world would die off as a result of the world stopping to spin.
     
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    Dawkins is an atheist he does not believe in the Bible he how ever have re-written many science theories based on his personal opinion.
     
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    Yep......... pretty violent, ugly stuff.
     
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    And yet some folks defend it!

    These are the folks that need saved in my opinion... saved from their own delusions!
     
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    The 100% literal word has mistranslations? And you admitted it. Good on you.
     
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    Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
    Everyone knows that Harry Potter movie was just a movie a fiction has nothing to do with reality.
    Leviticus 20:27 points to devil worshipers, followers, sons and daughters of Satan these people chose to be with the devil it is their own choosing and it will be their own blood not God's. Today they are more related to extremist cults.

    Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
    A higher standard to priest and their family they must live an exemplary holy life. God say that we must live a responsible life.

    Genesis 38:24 And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.

    An angry and upset father words of anger and as the verse continues....
    25 As she was being brought out, she sent a message to her father-in-law. “I am pregnant by the man who owns these,” she said. And she added, “See if you recognize whose seal and cord and staff these are.”

    26 Judah recognized them and said, “She is more righteous than I, since I wouldn’t give her to my son Shelah.” And he did not sleep with her again.

    27 When the time came for her to give birth, there were twin boys in her womb.
    28 As she was giving birth, one of them put out his hand; so the midwife took a scarlet thread and tied it on his wrist and said, “This one came out first.”
    29 But when he drew back his hand, his brother came out, and she said, “So this is how you have broken out!” And he was named Perez.

    30 Then his brother, who had the scarlet thread on his wrist, came out. And he was named Zerah.

    All's well that ends well. The mercy of God.


    The only excuses are from you your continue attacks against God by twisting Scriptures and Biblical history.
    Please continue this is the reason why we are here to share the truth and to clear up all the false information and attacks against God and Bible history.

    Satanic worshiping and prostitution were wrong back then it is still wrong today. I understand that today atheist have been pushing for the legalization of prostitution in fact in some areas it is already legalized including abortion.
     
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    We Christians all understand the Bible that is why fictional writers such as J. K. Rowling, J. R. R. Tolkien, Gene Roddenberry, Stan Lee, Dan Brown, Quentin Tarantino and many more like them their great works don't end up in the Bible or history their works are all recognize as historical fiction and Christians understand that we love their works, love their movies but we don't accept them as reality just fiction for entertainment purposes.

    For thousand of years anti God have been trying to discredit Biblical history, facts and reality they have not succeeded because truth will always prevail.
     
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    Quote the entire bible if you like it still doesn't alter my point... your god ain't real... and even if it were it would be the most corrupt being in the entire universe (not to mention the stupidest as it can't even get it's own book written correctly and needs to depend on zealots to spread the correct interpretation of is poorly written opus!).
     
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    And I clearly understand your bible is the worst written book on the planet. If it weren't we wouldn't need zealots to interpret the stupid thing. If a competent god were to give mankind a book of it's plan to get by in life I'm sure it would be cohesively written in a clear and concise manner... a manner in which no zealots would be necessary for it's true interpretation!
     
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    Not only does the entire Bible altered your points it corrects your false claims and distortions about the Bible you can keep on distorting Biblical verses and we will will always be here to correct you. Men are the most corrupt creatures because of Satan they will corrupt nature, environment and humanity that is why we have God on our side.
     
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    Zealots will always try to distort the Bible and words of God they ally themselves with bad atheist and anti God that is why Bible writers were holy men, righteous men, saints not atheist not zealots not anti God. These holy men who wrote the Bible the words of God in such a concise manner fill with truth guided by the Holy Spirit about the goodness of God, that men are by nature created good, that Satan is behind all the wickedness and evil and that God loves us so much that He gave us free will.
     
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    Yes, "Reality and its image, Truth,"... will prevail,...

    But you and Mitt Ryan are working to hold it back as you deny Genesis is absolutely correct, and that Evolution is what the 22 now extinct human species was explaining 3360 years ago.


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    What was explained 3360 years ago? The Bible isn't half that old ... and evolution is MUCH older.
     
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    Free Will evolved in man as the time expanded during the State-of-Fear from mere seconds into whole days when we would ponder on Reality and see if better ways to avoid fighting or fleeing presented themselves.

    Proverbs 2:5 (AMP Bible)
    Then you will understand the reverent and worshipful fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of [our omniscient] God.

    How can one miss this connection between knowledge teaching us about a god which is Reality, itself???
     
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    It's hilarious. The above makes little sense at all if you know the Bible. The Bible cannot condemn Judah for 'prostitution' with the 'harlot' as prostitution is not forbidden until the commandments of Moses, centuries in the future. In fact neither Judah or Tamar did anything wrong at the time, neither being married, but widow and widower.
    It's fairly obvious from reading and studying that prostitution was accepted in most nations of the time.

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    No it doesn't. Satan isn't known in the Tanakh, only in the New Testament. HaSatan in the Tanakh is not the Satan you have in Christianity.
    It refers to people who had unusual gifts not understood by the ancients. Some which we still don't understand today.

    You twist scriptures by refusing to study properly.
     
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    Science says the universe including you have absolutely no meaning at all. You are nothing, you will not ever be anything, but a parasite on a planet, which by the way can not even live in harmony with the rest of the parasites, so you kill one another. Just basically a worthless piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) and that is all you will ever be.

    So anything that you say, no matter how brilliant you may think it is, has no meaning whatsoever. Only the delusional think differently. A meaningless piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) human parasite in a vast meaningless universe, that happened by chance, as a farmer not looking as he stepped right into a huge fresh pile of cow manure. And before you know it you won't exist at all, which is worthy of a tired, insignificant, meaningless, little piece of (*)(*)(*)(*).

    Embrace it I reckon. :)

    OR, you could try to find some method to this madness. Perhaps that is worthy to spend a life doing. A quest for meaning. And if you do not find it, what have you really lost?
     
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