Past Lives.

Discussion in 'Other Off-Topic Chat' started by Jack Napier, Mar 9, 2012.

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I think..

  1. Much like the idea of heavens, invented because it sounds better than death.

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  2. I have personal experience of it, and believe it.

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  3. Neat idea, but merely a fable of course.

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  4. Read a lot about it, no personal experience, but believe it.

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  5. Other (state what)

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  1. Jack Napier

    Jack Napier Banned

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    Prove what?
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    I am not accepting this as factual, it is just what I believe. You cannot tell me that what I believe is irrational. Some people really do believe they have lived before. How do you explain going to a place you have never been before, but knowing the entire layout of the house?
     
  3. Jack Napier

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    No the burden of proof always lies with the one making the postitive claim.

    Only way to hang on to sanity.

    Therefore, if I want to convince you that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real, I must prove it to you, you not being able to falsify it does not make me right, and it real.

    See?
     
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    If you believe it then you are accepting it as factual.

    The only other alternative would be believing it while knowing it not to be factual, which would be the polar opposite.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Why start these threads asking people what they believe, when all you intend to do is say that they are wrong?
     
  6. Jack Napier

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    The idea is not to simply agree, but to challenge their belief.

    I find it odd that you say you believe something but at the same time do not consider it factual.
     
  7. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    You are not challenging my belief though, you are downright suggesting I am wrong. Well, I suggest that you are wrong.

    You didn't answer my question earlier, either. Why can a person go to a place they have never been before yet know the layout of the entire building?
     
  8. Jack Napier

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    Yes I am.

    I am dismissing your belief on the grounds of you having nil evidence to support it, in the same way you would dismiss my claim of the reality of the flying spaghetti monster, if I made claims as to my belief in it being real.

    Thus, I am challening you to put up evidence to prove your position is valid, and not a mere fanciful notion, with no basis in fact.

    Your question is a non question.

    What 'person'?

    When?

    Without detail, it cannot be answered.
     
  9. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    How the (*)(*)(*)(*) can I put up evidence to support my position? If I gave you details of my past life you would dismiss that and say that I still have to support my opinion.

    You can't support your position either.

    My question is a good question. I await an answer, not a dodge.
     
  10. Jack Napier

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    You can't.

    Just as no one can offer out evidence of angels, gods, heavens, fairies, and so on.

    Applying the laws of Occum's Razor, the most likely reason that neither you nor anyone else can evidence their claims, is because their claims or postion are not real, and therefore, have no evidence.

    Also, you avoided this before;

    I find it odd that you say you believe something but at the same time do not consider it factual.

    Surely that is a contradiction in terms?

    How can you 'believe' something true, if at the same time you do not believe it factual? That is impossible.

    I have said your question is worthless, for I have no idea what person you are talking about, let alone anything about their claims.

    Would you care to give more detail of a case you have in mind?
     
  11. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    It is impossible to prove a past life because it was a past life! It is a life not in existance!
    You can't prove you are who you are, either.

    You shouldn't need more examples of my question, which was obvious enough as it was. :rolleyes:

    A person goes to a house. They have never in their life (current life) been in that house before. Yet when they enter, they know exactly where all the bedrooms are, the bathrooms, and have even seen some of the paintings on the walls before because they were there the last time the person visited the house - even though the person has never been to the house before.

    Explain.
     
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    Deja vu?

    I've heard/read of many cases of that happening.....

    I can't say I absolutely do believe in reincarnation, but am more inclined to believe in it than not. Read a lot of articles and cases of it happening to others and find the subject fascinating........
     
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    Yes, deja vu. People experience it all the time, there is no explanation for it.

    The person I was speaking about, that was me. I went to this home once, and I knew exactly what it would look like on the inside, down to the color of the carpet and the paint on the walls. I'd never been there before in this life, but I remember being there for an x ray when I was a kid...so I was there, but wasnt there at the same time. That's just something that can't be easily explained away. I find it fascinating as well and I am not going to dismiss it out of hand.
     
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    bunch of bs.
     
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    One thing I've realized a long time ago was when it comes to this type of thing - reincarnation, ghosts, spirits, angels, etc etc...... I haven't found very many men who believe in it........

    At one time I was very closed-minded about the above. I didn't believe in anything if I couldn't see it, taste it, feel it, smell it... life went on and I slowly started changing my mind and now I do believe that there's more to life than what we physically see......

    Except for angels - for some reason, all my life since i was little, I've believed in angels. But then one reason is b/c I had some experiences that couldn't be explained except someone was looking out for me...... sound silly? I suppose, but I don't care......

    And experiences some friends had, some I've known for a long time and they aren't story tellers........

    Anyway, I'm off to bed. Went to a memorial for a friend's daughter today and not tin the mood for anything but sleeping...... good nite......
     
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    Exactly..He has proven nothing..
     
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    If Elijah is taken to mean ," Hermit of Life " which is what it does mean , any belief such as yours , disappears .
    You are being literal , which is not the way things were written and recorded .
     
  18. Viv

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    I am a realist, as people know and quite boring. But...my version is this. Nothing leaves this earth. If you have a look about outside at the end of summer, there are dead things everywhere cluttering the place up. Insects and plants and so on. Earth has a pretty effective way of recycling anything that lies about. Dead organic matter doesn't stay dead long, it's alive with other things living off it.

    I don't believe in reincarnation as a whole entity. However, I don't see why little bits of us are not recycled in some way into other life forms. Perhaps the bits sometimes retain something of the previous experience but fragmented. Perhaps they resurface as part of the conscious brain of a fly or a dog.:p

    As above, I don't see it happening immediately or even as a whole conscious person. I watched a recent interview though with Brian Blessed, the actor, who quite openly states his deceased brother was reborn as a child who now lives in Newfoundland. Brian Blessed went there and made contact with the child and he's convinced (or says he is) that is his brother.
    Natural to you, the male who had the easy end of that deal. Times have changed, Unifier. We have evolved. There is not really any going back to that for women.

    Don't dismiss the insects, btw. I had a very weird experience one day, in summer, lying face down on a lounger and just looking at the grass I noticed I was actually looking at a spider/insect highway. Loads and loads of little creatures scuttling back and forth right under my lounger. Then I zeroed in on these two hairy spiders, wolf types. One seemed to be either injured or incapacitated in some way. It was just sitting immobile. The other one was stationed in front of the immobile spider and every time another insect came along the highway, this thing jumped up to its full height and waved it's feelery things above it's head in what can only be described as a threatening act. It kept its body between the intruder and the injured spider at all times, until the intruder was out of the danger zone. I've never seen anything like it, I thought spiders were solitary. But this thing was definitely protecting the other spider.

    Ants, as we know beyond doubt, are social and aware and interact frequently, perhaps even more so than humans. If humans are reborn, what makes us think ants aren't...

    Perhaps, they have visited it before, seen it on tv, been there with a relative who didn't mention it, read about it in a book and it lodged somewhere in subconscious memory, saw it on the internet, saw it on one of those house makeover programmes... Lots of ways it could happen.
     
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    hahahahahahaha! :bucktooth:
     
  20. montra

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    But you never hear stories of people who were insects. You only hear people say that they were king of "pick a country of your choice" and that they have royal roots.
     
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    If you can't be what you want in a past life, what's the point of having one? I was a princess with a big pink dress like the ones below and it had fairy lights all over it and my girlfriends were all beautiful sparkly fairies

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    ...and I had a golden palomino and lived in the Disney castle when it used to be a Thornton's chocolate factory and was built entirely of beautiful natural gemstones...

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    ...with Johnny Depp.

    Oh no wait, I don't think he's much of a laugh or has much personality in real life, he'd be boring. Who is a good looking nice humanitarian tough guy man with an huge brain and great sense of humour?

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    I am curious, how do you PROVE reincarnation is a fairytale?
     
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    yes, I am a housewife in Texas...never been anywhere...yet I have dreamed on several occassions of being a young male travelling with a caravan across the Middle East...fairly mundane dreams too like riding a camel (very different from riding a horse!) along the trail left by the camels in front of us..I remember the vivid colors of the cloths covering the packs on the camels were dulled by the sand that had blown on them

    even if you think a dream is just a random thing your mind comes up with to solve problems or such...what would a long period of riding a camel in a line behind other camels possible mean? LOL!

    there has been another more violent dream where we were in a town though..didn't like that dream so much..
     
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    well dang...my imagination really let me down...

    how come I get stuck riding a dang camel in the desert and you get a castle?!
     
  25. montra

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    Nice.

    I guess it is kinda like when people theorize about there being other life in the universe. They always have two eyes and a nose and mouth like we do. In addition, they are soooo much more advanced than we. You never hear them talk about their possibly being a puddle of sludge with a bacteria in it somewhere out there that you might step in.

    So to talk about having another life or being life outside this earth, you have to "sex it up" a bit I reckon.

    Speaking of sexing it up, nice rack.
     

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