What do you mean 'I have proven nothing'..? I did not set out to. It's those that make extraordinary claims that have the onus to provide the extraordinary evidence. So far, I have seen none.
So the premise of what you believe in is infalsible, much like my claiming that the giant spaghetti monster exists, but only I can see it. Worthless then. What do you mean 'I can't prove who I am', seriously, what are you talking about? I am still not sure how you can say you believe something, but in the same sentence contradict yourself. As to your 'question', is this merely something hypoethetical that you've just made up, or do you have real cases, where those making the claims can have their claims studied and looked at?
...cos you can get what you want in your imaginary past life. In reality, I'd be in the highlands bolting about in the heather with the rest of my predecessors... Camels are a much softer ride than horses, btw. No jolting involved there, at speed they are very light and smooth and only scary bit for the unsuspecting is when they get up/sit down to let you off, they have strange hydraulics...they don't just lie down, they bend the knees and you only think you're down, then they sort of lean right over until you think you're falling off and then they go down again. People generally squeal a bit. Do you remember any of that from your dreams? If you don't, it's a dream, not a past life
Based on what I had already explained - yrs of reading about this topic and particularly the experiences of others. Who am I or you to say all these people are liars or it's just a figment of their imagination?
Originally Posted by Makedde Why start these threads asking people what they believe, when all you intend to do is say that they are wrong? Exactly..He has proven nothing.. Yeah I have been wondering the same thing my self. Why do you start these threads only to say that evryone is wrong.
How do you know what it is? It is more likely to be a process that happens when the brain is dying, and being starved of oxygen. The brain creates imagery to make the process of dying seem less alarming. Experiments were done to demonstrate this. Nothing to do with some 'doorway', at the end of which waits all the loved one's that a person has known and lost, waiting on them.
Because I believe them to be wrong, and would be lying if I said otherwise. To find out why they can believe something that sounds like a fable, and for which they have zero evidence? Besides, it is a poll, people have options. Would you sooner only those that already believed in such things, asked this question? PS - I have not said EVERYONE is wrong. Just those that I disagee with. How strange, eh?
just what I believe, it's the light of life, the doorway to rebirth, the only way to escape the cycle of life and death is not to enter the light
Is this because it sounds more paltable and appealing to you? As I've said, extensive tests were done to replicate the conditions that people sometimes describe, as above. It is down to what I said before, the brain being denied oxygen, and creating imagery. That is the more plausible answer.
it's what I believe, just as you seem to believe differently, neither of us knows for sure... only what we believe
You are making a positive claim about avoiding some light, because if you walk into it you are (whatever). It is not enough to just say that you believe that, and that we are starting at an equal point, we're not. If I claimed that I believed an invisible dragon controlled the universe, and you didn't, would both claims be equally valid then, or do you think mine might need some supporting evidence?
I believe. ~ I know it is true. ~ I have experienced it. First life, I was born in Italia. Handsome, charming and sexy. Ahhhhh so many beautiful women. It was a wonderful life in the warm sun, I did not wish to depart. *sigh* ~~~~~~ Second life, born in England. Pasty complexion, thinning hair, bad teeth/poor dental hygiene and crappy envious attitude. Gloomy weather year 'round, could not wait to go, finally, thankfully departed of boredom. ~~~~~~ Third life, born in hell, that's right, Australia. I can't even begin... suffice to say upon realizing my surroundings (as an infant), I crawled into outback and was promptly, mercifully eaten by a dingo. I (did not) cry in the dark. ~~~~~~ Present life, born in U.S.A. with my first life's heritage. Strong proud Italian American. More handsome, more sexy! So so many beautiful women. So many wonderful opportunities and blessings... I should live forever! ...just roll with it, baby.
This covers the so called 'near death experiences', as well. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z64mkxlYvaQ"]Ouija Board (& near death experience)- Penn & Teller Bullshit! - YouTube[/ame]
Yeah, ha ha ...case closed then. Many years ago, I went to see one of those stage hypnotists. He got people out from the audience, as they do, and he went on to conduct some 'regressive therapy' on them, to supposedly take them 'back' to who they were, in a past life. Naturally, each had a story to tell, whatever it was. He assured the audience that they could check out the details that were given, and that we would find that such people did live and die on those dates. Wouldn't take a genius to get some dates from people who had died a century or more ago, then either use paid stooges or willing idiots to go along with their suggestions. Again, that would be the more likely explaination.
I believe in my life before this, I was Bigfoot. In my life before that, a pink unicorn. The Loch Ness Monster before that and a fire-breathing dragon prior to that life. In case my post is too ambiguous for some, I think the idea is absolute horse(*)(*)(*)(*).
Turtles return to the same beach where they hatched to lay eggs and salmon return to the same creek to spawn. Genetic memory? mammals are born knowing how to suckle. Genetic memory? I don't know but I wouldn't discount it.
Consider: At the very beginning everything in the universe was one thing occupying a single point. Is it hard then to consider that everything in the universe is connected at the most basic level? Time and space are human constructs created to gain an understanding of the nature of the universe around us. They have no meaning outside the narrow span in which we live our lives. Does an ant know what "far" is? Does a comet know what time it is? The question asked is not really about reincarnation but about what may happen once what we perceive to be this life is over. I believe there is a conscientiousness to the universe that was born at the moment of the "creation" and that we are all a part of that conscientiousness. This conscientiousness is ongoing for as long as the universe exists. While we are part of the conscientiousness and it part of us we are not specifically "aware" of one another any more than you are "aware" of the activity of a single corpuscle in your bloodstream or it of you. The lives we lead are not separate from the conscientiousness and what we call "death" is nothing more than the ongoing life processes of this "being." While we cannot "speak" to the conscientiousness I believe we can listen and sometimes hear it. This is what is sometimes called "esp" or "second sight." The information is always there and there are savants who can naturally "see" information from the conscientiousness but I believe we must train our minds to cultivate a capability to see and understand information from the conscientiousness. I think that what some people perceive as deja vu and "past life memories" are connections to the conscientiousness misinterpreted as personal experience. There is no "death" per se. We are simply part of the ongoing life cycle of this conscientiousness. the separate entity that we are in this "life" ceases but all that we have been is still a part of the conscientiousness. As part of the conscientiousness, though, we have a shared responsibility toward the health of the system as a whole. We accomplish this through good acts prompted by good intentions which creates a positive Karma that enhances the health of the body as a whole. Bad acts prompted by bad intentions creates a negative Karma that detracts from the health of the body.
