Pelosi tells Dems she wants to see Trump ‘in prison’

I'm not sure. He is such an arrogant bastard that I am almost certain he will issue a pardon to himself and everyone in his family before he leaves office. I don't think his ego could stand to resign the presidency, even for an hour, to permit Pence to issue a pardon to him. And I am not sure Pence would issue such a pre-emptive pardon.

Trump's departure from office will be ugly. Whether it is in 2 years or 6, I would bet that he will issue blanket pardons - and that is constitutional-crisis stuff. And his base will support it 100%.

 

A new administration may choose not to charge him on OOJ or Campaign Finance after he's out of office.

But they may...

As Willie Wonka once said "The suspense is killing me..... I hope it lasts:

 

Dan Rather called FL for Gore before polls closed in the RP panhandle of FL. IOW, they called it for Gore before 3/4 of the nation's polls were closed. There is nothing subtle about this blatant attempt by the DP and its MSM to suppress the RP vote and rig the election for Gore.

 

Agreed. I am undecided about this.

On the one hand, if he has committed crimes, he should be indicted and tried.

On the other hand, if that happens, his base will see it all as confirmation of a "deep state" and "retribution". Even if the incoming administration takes a completely hands-off approach and leaves it up to career prosecutors. Even if the AG recuses him(her)self and appoints someone totally neutral to oversee the situation. That trial will deepen the divisions that Trump has cleft in the political landscape, when what is really needed is someone to heal the damage Trump has done.

On balance, though, I think it is important that people should be held accountable for their actions. The president should not be above the law. That would be worse than the temporary pain that would be caused by the trial. If he has committed a crime - indict him and put him on trial.

 

Russia Russia Russia, collusion collusion collusion. More of the same from you, your a prediction book that's been read over and over and over and still haven't gotten a dang thing right.

 

A three year partisan witch hunt utilizing the power and resources of America's 17 secret police/spy agencies and many others from other nations including the UK, Australia and Russia could not even find misdemeanor to pin on Trump. I find that astonishing - I bet you are also very surprised.

 

it's never been tried in the courts, cause no President other then Trump woudl be stupid enough to try to Pardon himself for crimes he has done

 

So there is actually no precedent, and the Constitution doesn't state anything limiting his ability to do so. Gotcha.

 

Trump will Pardon his family for their crimes, can almost bet on that

but I think he will resign and have his VP pardon himself as there is a risk the court will overturn that Pardon if he Pardon's himself

 

there is no Precedent for the President murdering someone on 5th ave then Pardoning himself either, just most know it is wrong and that the SC woudl not want to set such a precedent even for Trump

 

I agree, it would be wrong for the president to murder someone. With that said the SCOTUS is bound by the constitution not emotion, it would be more wrong for them to not follow the rule of law.

 

WOW no crimes found, no crimes asserted, no one indicted, no pending prosecutions and you have Trump resigning and his family members all charged with crimes and Pence issuing pardons.

How did you previous pontifications and predictions work out?

 

Except for the collusion and obstruction, you are correct...

 

No prosecution while you are President and no prosecutions pending. The legal part, as far a what Mueller and DOJ investigated, is over. There are no pending charges and that office has been shutdown.

 

There can't be any pending charges. As soon as he leaves office, he could be charged for the evidence that Mueller has found. I'm not saying it will happen. But it could.

 

Why the dodging

So if the prosecutors don't have confidence you didn't commit a crime you must be guilty even when they did not make a determination he did commit a crime?
So they could not find a crime but could not find he didn't commit one so he is guilty and should be impeached? That's what the Democrats are going to take to the American people? That's why he should go to prison?

Mueller could have laid out the criminal charges they found along with the clear and convincing evidence of those crimes to await prosecution. There is NOTHING that would have prevented him from doing so. He indicted nothing. He made no charges. The incidents he alluded to were not chargeable obstruction of justice or anything.

 

Who's going to charge him, the investigation produced no charges, no crimes, Mueller admit they could find no crimes the investigation is closed. Had he found crimes he could issue his charges, his office draw up the indictments and inform Congress of the specific crimes and the clear convincing evidence of them and why it was a crime. He shutdown with NOTHING.

 

No, only sillies say the legal part is over. The SOL begins running the day President Trump leaves office. Anyone who writes otherwise simply does not understand the law.

 

Why are the Trumpers trying to dodge the law: they can't get away with it.

 

Nice to see you too are conceding the 2020 election to Trump.

 

I haven't read the Mueller report, but I'm hearing from others who have, that Mueller did indeed include substantial evidence of obstruction--so much in fact, that over 800 AGs & prosecuting attorneys nationwide all signed a paper stating that the evidence was substantial enough to charge anyone else in the country with obstruction except the President, for whom the law works in a different way. The existence of that signed document by so many legal professionals is proof that Mueller gave us all enough evidence to warrant impeachment by Congress. Whether Republicans can move beyond the petty politics they're caught up in, enough to care about the nation & our Constitution they swore to protect & defend, is still to be determined.

 

I imagine if you put together a petition that said no obstruction can be proven based upon evidence presented in the Mueller report, you'd get 800 AGs from the other side of the aisle signing that one. I have yet to see any convincing evidence of a crime presented from the Mueller report as it pertains to DT.

 

We've all seen worse things done by the Republican party, even in the last election of 2018. But, I do believe the major media stations now refrain from calling any state results until after the polls close. So, that shouldn't be an issue anymore.

 

isn't that what I said, the courts woudl be seeing a precedent if they allowed Trump to Pardon himself, one that all future Presidents would be able to use too

 

either the president has the right to pardon himself of not, the SC doesn't get to choose on a case by case basis