Pelosi tells Dems she wants to see Trump ‘in prison’

What would it take to convince you of DTs malfeasance?

 

then why are republicans talking about the President Pardoning himself and his family - lol

 

No...not sure what you mean about "seeing a precedent" - maybe the confusion is you don't know what the word means? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/precedent

Set a precedent? Sure they would be doing that since the case has never been heard. The question they'd be looking at if he was challenged is simply does Art II limit his authority? Does it?

 

I agree....so where does Art 2 limit his authority?

 

How come the Democrats are trying to inject that strawman? Hey but then Clinton pardoned his cronies, is what is good for the goose good for the gander?

 

Well the report appears to present 10 cases where they investigated obstruction. It does not come to the conclusion that obstruction actually occurred for any of these. For obstruction to occur, the intent of the person taking the action must be to obstruct the investigation (corrupt intent). Mueller goes so far as to show that the actions DT took in these events had possible other motivations other than obstructing the investigation, which means he was admittedly unable to demonstrate a crime. I believe if he could have shown obstruction he would have said so and would have shown the evidence. He failed to do this and instead just made a cryptic comment, perhaps out of frustration but carefully worded.

 

Trump really lays into the goofy democrats here...

 

typo, "seeing a precedent" was supposed to be "setting a precedent"

yes, and if they allowed this President to Pardon himself, all future Presidents could do the same

the Pardon power was never meant for the President to be able to Pardon himself, the Trump cult wants a dictator, next they will say Trump can declare martial law and become a President for life

 

he is given the authority to pardon other people, not himself

"No, Trump can’t pardon himself. The Constitution tells us so."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...445d74-6e49-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html

"Can a president pardon himself? Four days before Richard Nixon resigned, his own Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel opined no, citing “the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case.” We agree."

attempting to Pardon himself woudl be the ultimate attempt at obstruction of Justice

 

Sure of course they could...they always could.

The President can declare Martial law...and has.

I appreciate your opinion on the Pardon Power...I will just look to Art 2, which clearly does not limit his authority

 

Thanks for the op-ed link....

Here is the text from Art 2 "..and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States," https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii

It of course doesn't limit the power to everyone but himself.

Either way this moot, since the is nothing for him to pardon himself for.

 

and Trump will Pardon his children and many others, not sure I see your point....

 

others, not himself

"and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."

but let me ask, what offenses against the United States are you thinking Trump did?

Trump is admitting he is guilty of offenses against the United States if he tries to Pardon himself

the very act of trying to Pardon himself would start impeachment proceedings as that would in itself be enough to impeach

 

Nobody is but you

 

i'll ask again...where does it say others and not himself?

I don't think he has committed any...I don't think there is anything to Pardon.

 

What 's worse than trying to rig a presidential election? So far, most examples of vote fraud involve the DP.

"The Texas Department of Public Safety has identified 58,000 non-U.S. citizens who voted in one or more Texas elections, dating to 1996, according to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's office.
Further, the DPS said there were about 95,000 non-citizens they identified as having a voter registration record in the state."
NBC, 58,000 Non-U.S. Citizens Voted in Texas State Elections, Attorney General Paxton Says, By Staff and wire report, Published Jan 25, 2019 at 3:14 PM | Updated at 10:47 PM CST on Jan 25, 2019.
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politic...s-Attorney-General-Paxton-Says-504879201.html

 

common sense, stop looking for loopholes, that just shows you do not think he is innocent imo

he can try, but then the house would start impeachment preceding, that would cancel the pardon (the attempted obstruction of Justice by Trump)

 

What loopholes am I looking for? I am just looking at the words in Art 2...you are the one adding words to it. Pardoning would only keep him from actually being convicted of a crime, that doesn't mean a President still can't be impeached.

With that said, the current President has nothing to pardon, and doesn't have to worry about impeachment since the Mueller Report didn't provide the evidence or recommendation for it. Nancy P apparently agrees with me.

 

the constitution added that catch 22 on there, if a President tries, it's impeachable, which means he can't pardon himself if the house starts impeachment proceedings as it would make the pardon null and void

 

What about Trump's current policy of ignoring or resisting all the subpoenas from the House for witnesses from the Executive Dept? The Congress has not only the right to subpoena witnesses for investigations, but the Constitutional responsibility to oversee the Executive Branch, including the President. Trump has ordered all his subordinates to refuse to comply with those subpoenas. Would you regard this as an act of obstruction? Would it be OK behavior from Obama during the last administration, if the House under Ryan had investigated Obama's White House?

 

Huh? Impeachment is a totally different thing. A impeachment has nothing to do with a pardon. The President can pardon himself of any crime, but that doesn't mean he can't be impeached. Just not prosecuted. An impeachment doesn't have any effect on a pardon they deal with two seperate branches of Govt all together

 

She is probably trying to distract from her own problems

Homeless people in California are starting to call their shantys and tent cities " pelosi villages "

Granted she is a federal and not a local politician but she is the face if the party which is destroying rapidly destroying California

 

Well you said Pence would issue the pardons before which is it?

WOW no crimes found, no crimes asserted, no one indicted, no pending prosecutions and you have Trump resigning and his family members all charged with crimes and Pence issuing pardons.

How did you previous pontifications and predictions work out?

 

good luck with that, Nixon choose to have his VP pardon him as Pardoning himself is just stupid even on the face of it as it admits guilt

and the constitution does not allow people to judge themselves, common sense says Trump can't Pardon himself

regardless, I do not think Trump is that stupid to try... but I could be wrong

 

I don't disagree...nobody is saying the President should pardon himself..it's not needed.

The Constitution doesn't say the President should judge anyone...but it does give him the power to pardon anyone.