People Prefer To Become Atheists Nowadays.

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  1. Phantasmagoria

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    As a lot of you know - distinguished readers - this generation includes a lot of atheists. The atheists, have their life-style, the don't believe in God. Some of the Atheists insist to label the Atheism and to accept it as a Religion. Atually, we know it is not a religion, and will never be. But however, I am curious to acknowledge the truth about the Atheistic movement; why are people prefer to become Atheists nowadays?
     
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    I just can assume something about the Atheism. I think people fear to accept the existence of God, and afraid to acknowledge that Atheism is obviously a joke. I think that they don't want to admit that the humanity is not the most merit thing in here, the world. I think they want to be independent in something, even if it gives them to live.
     
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    Atheism isn't a preference, it's a conclusion.
     
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    Again, lets see that evidence that leads staright toward atheism. Right, you are magically going to become an apatheist. Gotcha.

    Certainty without evidence. Ridicule of rebuttal. Its an elementary school cliche.
     
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    The rise of secularism is largely due to science. It's easier to believe in religion when the world is less certain in its machinations.

    Throughout most of human history, a lot of the world's inner workings were a mystery to us. It's rather disturbing to consider, but even basic knowledge like the existence of microbes is a very recent development for humanity in a relative sense.

    Because so much happened without our ability to logically analyze it, people clung to traditions and superstitions. Along with that comes religion. So, as humanity rises in knowledge and empirical means of analysis, the superstition subsides, and so does religion. Collectively, we view things more mechanically than spiritually.

    As we learn more about the human mind, genetics, and physics, humanity is bound to become more secular as a whole.

    It's not likely that religion will ever disappear altogether, but it will certainly be less prevalent as time goes on.
     
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    Actually, I agree with your mouthpiece, but can you get on-topic; why people prefer today to become Atheists?
     
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    Secularism was created by Christians in the aftermath of the 30 years war between Protestants and Catholics. The idea that science or knowledge of genetics caused this is stupid. Sorry to use such strong language, but when atheists attempt to claim that what hey are about is secularism, they miss the point.

    If anything, when we actually read the Establishment Clause and see the legacy of tolerance bequeathed to us by Christian fore bearers, is a remarkable display of tolerance and inclusiveness. Now, the one faith group that resists this entirely Westernized process is atheism - and it is becoming more and more shunned as a result.

    ""We support multiculturalism, freedom of belief and nonbelief, and separation of church and state," he said. "These are core American values."

    http://blog.lib.umn.edu/edgell/home/Strib Atheist Faith and Values.html

    The problem is that atheists do not practice what they preach. They talk about multiculturalism, and tolerance, yet organized atheism sues to block those things; often doing so with incredibly twisted analysis.

    What is striking about that poll is what it reveals, just over half the people surveyed think that atheists can coexist with religion. And that number is sliding. Every other faith group showed improvement over 30 years. Atheism ... is going the other way.

    Every other faith group accepts science too. Only one is headed in the opposite direction of tolerance.
     
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    This is what religion can do to an otherwise healthy mind.
     
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    Secularism was created by Christians in the aftermath of the 30 years war between Protestants and Catholics. The idea that science or knowledge of genetics caused this is stupid. Sorry to use such strong language, but when atheists attempt to claim that what hey are about is secularism, they miss the point.

    If anything, when we actually read the Establishment Clause and see the legacy of tolerance bequeathed to us by Christian fore bearers, is a remarkable display of tolerance and inclusiveness. Now, the one faith group that resists this entirely Westernized process is atheism - and it is becoming more and more shunned as a result.

    ""We support multiculturalism, freedom of belief and nonbelief, and separation of church and state," he said. "These are core American values."

    http://blog.lib.umn.edu/edgell/home/Strib Atheist Faith and Values.html

    The problem is that atheists do not practice what they preach. They talk about multiculturalism, and tolerance, yet organized atheism sues to block those things; often doing so with incredibly twisted analysis.

    What is striking about that poll is what it reveals, just over half the people surveyed think that atheists can coexist with religion. And that number is sliding. Every other faith group showed improvement over 30 years. Atheism ... is going the other way.

    Every other faith group accepts science too. Only one is headed in the opposite direction of tolerance.
     
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    Yep, the alternative is to be magically transformed into an angry curmedgeon. What atheism does to an otherwise educated, pleasent, and healthy mind.
     
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    People can either get creative in reinterpreting ancient, obviously false claims about gods, or they can abandon those claims and embrace something else - hopefully the truth apparent from the facts at hand.
     
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    Rabid propoganda is clearly better? They can embrace angry denial? Derision? Deliberate smears? They can abandone millenia of academics to believein tin foil hat conspiracies? The really funny part? Most conspiracy nuts begin by simply claiming how everything that disagrees with them is a lie ... WAKE UP they say! Atheism.

    Aren't you supposed to be piloting a banner about how cool atheism is around the statue of liberty or something?
     
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    It is on topic. People are more secular because they're less superstitious.

    People tend not to believe things are divinely inspired when they know the science behind their occurrence. We prefer agnosticism or atheism when we think in more rational ways.
     
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    Most Enlightenment thinkers were Deist in orientation. Many were nominally Christian, but most were a far cry from being like the evangelicals of today.

    As far as accepting science goes, that depends on the extent of religion. Typically, the people who oppose evolution are very religious.

    Moderately religious people usually acknowledge evolution, however.

    And again, there is a direct correlation between the piety of a society and its education level. The most educated countries tend to be less religious.

    This is most starkly shown when comparing the First World with the Third.
     
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    That is not a historically accurate statement. Not even close. Desim doesn't really become a prominent historical force until the French Revolution.

    And apparently, also with atheism, where we routinely are garced with 'Santa' absurdities from atheists.


    Like the entire Catholic Church?

    This is most starkly shown when comparing the First World with the Third.[/QUOTE]

    Like North Korea?

    Does it occur to you that arrogance might be the cause of that polls lopsided adherence?
     
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    We were talking about secularism. It wasn't a significant movement until the late 1800s. The separation of church and state existed before then, but when using the term "secularism", it's usually in reference to a movement beginning in the later half of the 1800s.

    You'll have to explain that one.

    True, but many of their Protestant contemporaries missed the boat on that one, apparently. Various Muslims reject evolution as well.

    North Koreans actually follow Juche, which is the worship of the state, essentially.

    Now, it is true that China and Russia have long oppressed religion, but aside from Communist states, most of the developing world is more religious than the First World.

    It's not arrogance. It's simply factual. I'm not saying that you have to be uneducated to be religious. I'm saying that less educated societies tend to be more religious than more educated ones.
     
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    Hmm, take a look at the past, were there Atheists? No, rarely anyways. Our generation has erected novelty belief; belief of the non-religion, belief of the non-God. I investigated for a long while for the changes by the time, especially I wanted to discover the psychological changes. Do you agree with me, that our generation of today, is filled by people which are not storng as our grandfathers were, and stupider than our grandmothers? It's a known fact, that the technology influenced our psychology for bad. Maybe the Atheism accomplished population because of the evolutional change, our stupidity generation? To be square, I think that Atheism is a humiliating and a harming belief, which should've to be deactivated.
     
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    A lot of the most significant Greek philosophers were effectively atheist. Socrates was essentially killed over a lack of faith, for example.
     
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    I was wrong then, there are smart atheists, and atheism erected by intelligentic people. But how it comes, that they're wrong, even while they're smart. Atheism is a wrong belief, God exists, and will ever exist.
     
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    What makes you sure of that?
     
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    In the spiritualism, it's a known fact, which is proven, but doesn't accessible for other people whom don't approach the spiritualism and accepting it.
     
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    lol, so, people are atheist because they're stupid and weak? Suck my balls. It's the theists that are afraid of death, a lack of ultimate justice and other things. It takes strength to accept that the religion you grew up with is full of lies and stupidity and that you probably won't live forever or see dead loved ones again. Where's the weakness in that?

    And you have no idea how many people have been atheists over the years. I'm pretty sure aggressive social condemnation or death generally drives atheists into the closet.
     
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    So far as I've seen, spiritualism is merely emotionalism.

    Our feelings affect our perceptions, and when that occurs, we sometimes make errors in conclusions.

    IMHO, I prefer to limit my emotions so I can perceive things more rationally.
     
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    There were atheists before, but they were less than theists, and right now too. I already acknowledged my truth about religions and God. Atheists just tanacious to acknowledge his existence, I assume they just fear.
     
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    Prefer?

    I never chose to not believe in God. I just never have believed in God.
     

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