People Prefer To Become Atheists Nowadays.

I guess I'd better explain. The conclusion reached by atheists is that there is no proof of god's existence. Therefore it is a matter of belief. Religions have concluded that there is god without any evidence of it. Completely different conclusions. Don't get me wrong. I approve of religious beliefs. I think they improve societies. I just understand that they are beliefs with no grounding in fact.

 

Universe appears to be designed and works in harmony with the laws of physics and nature. The universe appears to be controlled and not chaotic. This is either chance or design, the likelihood of it being chance are highly, highly, highly improbable, therefore it is reasonable to assume design. Therefore the evidence does support the existence of God. Where as atheists have no evidence whatsoever to support the non-existence of God.

 

OK, so what god(s) is this pointing to?

 

Ok let's assume you are right, so what god(s) is this pointing to?

 

God is the reason that you're able to breath, to eat and to drink cold water. God is the reason that you have your muscles. God is the reason that you have a brain, and the ability to think independently; you can believe your spirit, or you can ignore the truth. A fact.

 

I think they always have... just now they do not have to hide it as much for fear of being mistreated by the believers of whatever faith hated non-believers at the time

 

I am specifically asking you which gods known to us are you talking about here?

 

yes, my God allows you to do all that and more, course my God is not a old jealous and vengeful man in the sky, my God is the universal oneness of which we are all a part of


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I am talking about the only one, the omnipotent, the omnipresent, and the omniscience, the God everybody talking 'bout. You can respect his existence or not, but he exists. You can to ignore his existence, but you will get a fucck. We've only one God exists, and his name is, the sainted and eternal God.

 

You mean you are a deist?

A deist god would not give a fucck about neither of us or what we did - be it that we ignored , or worshiped him.

 

Well, hmm.. I am deist, sensible conclusion. As I mentioned in a lot of other threads, I am not a slave of a religion, nor a belief. I am just aware of the existence of God; I've my beliefs.

 

But since a Deist god is indifferent to what we do or think, it doesn't matter what we think about his existance, if we are aware or not is meaningless to him, and to us, except in the poetic sense.

A sense of wonder that can be shared by atheist alike, label it energy or whatever.

And yes, a view that I am somewhat more sympathetic towards.

 

I don't have a clue and really don't care. You are free to believe what you want. Why do atheist get so mad at me and God. God cares about everyone but he leaves the choice to each individual. Seems fair to me. Frankly I love the golden rule it is too bad more people don't follow it.

 

The same reason they prefer to take aspirin when they get a headache instead of having someone crack a hole in their skull to release the evil spirits.

You ask questions as if they are answers. It's a common occurrence among closed minds.

 

Yes, I prefer it greatly when I have a problem in my life to pickup a volume on evolution or one that scapegoats religion for my problems, instead of one that reminds me of patience, to remain clam, and to stay true throughout the difficult.

All atheism offers for the analogous head ache is blaming it on the Pope. Head ache solved? Or merely an irrational rant that makes everyone else miserable as well?

 

Sure, but what we don't see is the possibility of eternal (*)(*)(*)(*)ation as a result of it.

It's one thing for children to suffer under the conditions their parents create for them but quite another to suggest that the state of an entire species is judged by the actions of its progenitors.

 

Infinite power equals infinite responsibility. If we were created by God with him knowing ahead of time what our actions would be, then ultimately everything that happens is what he intended.

If he intended for Adam and Eve not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge, then he wouldn't have given them the natures they have, created the serpent, or even created the Tree for that matter.

It just seems silly to pin blame on a species created by an omnipotent being.

Let's apply it to other realms of life. If I create a robot that starts killing people, are you going to blame the robot or me? It would make more sense to blame me, because I built the robot and programmed it.

God's responsibility goes even further than that, because he's supposedly omniscient, so he "built" us knowing exactly how we would behave.

Therefore, anything we do is in his design.

 

People used to believe that gravity was simply God's will.

People used to believe that diseases were curses from the gods.

Some people still take Genesis literally with young earth creationism, despite the evidence against this with evolution, astrophysics, and geology.

There are several more if you'd like me to list them.

 

I am not discussing a particular deity. I am discussing an omnipotent force (God). Which is quite a reasonable and rational conclusion to come to.

 

If you accept the existence of God then it would be rational to assume this is for a reason. God did not create, and set the universe into motion for no reason. It is reasonable to assume it is all part of a plan. If God did not care about anything then why create anything in the first place?. If this force (God) is at work, which is the idea you would be sympathetic toward why would it create everything in such away to ensure the universe was in harmony, and to ensure intelligent life?.

 

God is outside of time. It is hard for us to fathom. We all have free will, God did not want us to be simple robots He wanted us to choose Him of our own free will.
Lets say you record a football match, and you have not yet seen the match, someone then tells you the score. You later watch the match, you know the outcome of the score, but you do not know how each and every individual player will play. This is just one explaniation, another is lets say you are watching a football match and you already know the score and you already know what every individual player is going to do but you do not infringe on their decision making you let them paly the game as they choose. The same can apply to God, maybe god knows the final outcome of everything but does not interfer with our will.

 

I understand what you're saying, but if we assume that God created everything, then that means that everything is ultimately tied to the starting conditions he made.

If he's the creator of mankind, then our natures themselves are of his design. If he expected us to not be sinners, he should have made our genetic makeup different.

Then, when we look at the concept of desiring forgiveness for our sins, that's kind of an odd idea taking the above into account. If anything, we're entitled to an explanation as to why he made us likely to sin.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I feel no obligation to request forgiveness from a being that could remove sin altogether if it wanted to.

I don't like the idea of being a deity's lapdog.

 

I'm not sure people PREFER to become atheists, it's just a conclusion they come to. Lord knows, there are plenty of reasons to jettison religion.

Why do you leave agnosticism out of your bi-polar question?

 

Well, for one, the Bible does not say that. So that was their own presumptuous opinion.

Basically, the Bible shows that people are the cause of their own illness. For example, God gave the Israelites dietary laws……He told them not to eat fat and today we know that animal fat is not healthy. A lot of people would not have died prematurely from clogged arteries if they had taken heed to what the Bible said about not eating the fat of animals.

The Bible does not say that the Earth was created 6,000 years ago people just make that assumption because it’s been 6,000 years from the time Adam was made to today. One scripture suggest that the Earth is much older.

 

All I'm pointing out is that we are a product of others. To then divorce ourselves from them is a fantasy. We both benefit and suffer from this as we embrace the good, bad, and ugly from our parents, and it would appear you agree. At this point all we are talking about is suffering to various degrees. What is too much suffering?