Poland Accuses Russia Of Shooting Missiles Into It's Territory

And with all that gibberish, you still didn't address the fact that "US intelligence" said it was 2 Russian missiles.

If they are tracking radar, then show it to us. That will put all to rest. But they won't, just like they won't reveal what was found at the Nordstream blast sites.

Because they have something to hide.

 

now that's a knee slapper

How many of your relatives are members of AZOV?

 

As a volunteer militia to fight the pro Russian separatists. There was no coup. The masses of people on the Maidan convinced the pro Russian traitor to leave therefore there was no need for a coup. Biletsky has not been the Azov commander once AZOV got integrated within the National Guard.

 

Since you do not have the capacity to debate without personal attacks against members or their families you will be history in less than a minute.

 

I don't think it was planned. I don't think Zelenskyy could really pull of the sort of "false flag" you are implying. I think he was simply an opportunist who took advantage of an accident because he desperately wants to drag NATO in to the war. I get it; if I were in his shoes I would probably be doing the same, but my real concern is how quickly the US fell for it, or seemed to. The problem is less Zelenskyy wanting us to get into the war but that the US desperately wants to get into the war too.

 

There was a Coup and the US was behind it. Your nationalists fired on Yanukovich's motorcade trying to assassinate him but the motorcade was a decoy...he fled by helicopter.

These are the facts.

Your nationalists were pissed at Yanukovich for taking away the "hero status" awarded to Stepan Bandera by the previous shitbag president.

 

Russians have been attacking critical infrastructure which is of course civilian targets. I would like to think we would get the real story of this incident some day, but that seems increasingly unlikely.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system

 

I bet they tell it like it really is.

 

There is nothing odd about it, only the possibility that it hit the farm, 1 out of million.
The S300 has a 100 to 200 km range, depends on the model. It misses the target it just keeps on flying, till its out of fuel.
Has a rather large warhead for a anti aircraft, 200 plus pounds.
Sure Kiev says not us, because Poland has been a large supporter, that is all about politics and propaganda.
As I said **** happens and in my eyes, despite the tragic human loses, not a big deal.

 

Gotcha.

Using violent force to sieze the government is not a coup


Calling white black.

Who are these people? And why is their face so thick?

 

Your information is behind.

1. There was only a single missile. The early reports were there was more than one (between 2 and 5). These reports were taken from those nearby. It isn't unusual for civilians inexperienced in such matters to identify the echos as additional strikes. Explosions have a large magnitude low frequency audio component. Low frequencies travel longer distances and therefore tend to produce substantial echoes which diminish more slowly.
2. The missile was Russian in the sense it was Russian-MADE. This somewhat misleading piece of information came directly from POTUS (Biden) in the early hours. Apparently, Biden received word from those on the scene it was a Russian-made missile.
3. We now have more definitive information. This was a single S-300 ground-to-air missile normally used as an air defense weapon. It can sometimes be used as a ground-to-ground missile, but it is expensive and ineffective in this role. In other words, this is a weapon used mainly by the Ukrainians for use in air defense (i.e. shooting down incoming missiles and aircraft).
4. It is highly unlikely the Russians would have fired on a target of such little military importance. While Russia routinely commits war crimes and targets civilians in an attempt to terrorize the Ukrainian populace, it doesn't seem likely. After all, Russia is not a superpower by any stretch of the imagination. They are more reasonably a 3rd rate power militarily with the exception of its nuclear arsenal. The use of such an arsenal would be an act of national sepulchre, and Russia has little interest in writing a check its ass can't cash.
5. The US has the ability to fully track the air and ground space for all of the Ukrainian battle zone. It was merely a matter of time before the tracking data recorded could be analyzed to determine exactly what transpired. According to the information provided by the US it now seems clear this was a Russian-made S-300 missile fired by the Ukrainians at an incoming Russian missile which missed its target and continued on across the border into Poland where it unfortunately hit a grain-drying facility on a farm in Poland killing 2 Polish civilians.

The tracking data will never be released (or at least not any time soon) as it is highly classified as to the extent of its capabilities. Suffice it to say, tracking this missile flight is well within the capability. So, we now know what actually happened.

 

The weight of one of the smallest S-300's in service is 2-tons (4000 lbs). Warhead weights vary and 200 lb. warhead is plausible. The overall damage is the result of the warhead (if it detonates), the kinetic energy of a 2-ton object coming in at velocity, and the ignition of any remaining fuel.

 

The problem here is to stop the lies. So was the missile launched by Ukraine a defense, or a deliberate provocation as Russia believes, to drag Nato and the world into a major war?

 

Either way you would support the Russians wouldn't you?

 

Since Ukraine is well aware of the US capability to correctly ascertain the origin of any missile launch it is inconceivable to think this was a purposeful launch with the intent to draw in NATO (i.e. a false-flag attack). Tracking data also indicates it was apparently launched in defense against an incoming missile launched by the Russians. It is now entirely clear what transpired. Russia fired a missile on a civilian target. Ukraine responded by firing a Russian-made S-300. The S-300 missed its target and landed in Poland killing 2 Poles at a grain-drying facility at a farm in a rural area just across the border. Ukraine immediately jumped to the conclusion it was a missile fired by Russia and jumped the gun in the hopes it would result in a NATO response. The US examined the data and accurately determined what transpired. Case pretty much closed, it was an accident which resulted in collateral damage and the deaths of 2 innocent civilians.

My guess is Ukraine will use the incident to request more modern Western air defense systems on the guise this wouldn't have happened had they been supplied with something other than Russian junk.

 

Let me refresh your memory. The 'so called' pro Russian Yanukovich traitor was voted in by the majority of the Ukrainian people and he was taken out by an illegal coup financed by the CIA and George Soros' Open Society Foundation. This is when Ukraine lost its sovereignty. So who are the traitors here, those who wanted to retain Ukraine's sovereignty, or those who sold it to the US?

The man 'Yats', who Nuland chose as president of Ukraine and those who came after him, started an ethnic cleansing campaign in the South and East, to change the demographics of Ukraine so that they could steal land that was never theirs in the first place, and maintain control of the government.

Today the Ukrainians have the lowest standard of living in Europe and one of the lowest in the world, while the people are being exterminated in a war which Washington has been planning for years. All of Ukraine's wealth is now in the hands of criminals and foreign corporations,

So much for Maidan and their 'revolution' of dignity. But it's always easier to believe lies and propaganda, than to face the hard of facts of reality and that you people have been deceived big time.



B R A I N W A S H I N G


When white is black and black is white,
how happy they will be.

For they'll be told they're living well
and they will all agree.

And should one say that they're in pain
and doesn't see their gain.

Then pity them for all will know,
that they must be insane.

- Jeannette​

 

And you would have no qualms about condemning the innocent and supporting criminals as long as it's to your benefit.

Medvedev is right. World War III is getting closer, that is if we're not in it already.

 

Big deal. We can win it.

 

One thing is for damn sure and it's I'm not behind. Any tracking data, if it does exist, will never be released because it won't fit the official narrative.

The missile was Soviet Made. And no matter how many times you try that propaganda, it doesn't work. As far as the other propaganda, the US got their asses ran out of Afghanistan by a bunch of goat herders.

The shitbags in Kyiv tried a false flag and got caught. Why? Because they are about to get a mud hole stomped in their asses.

And it will be glorious.

The end.

 

Why are you supporting the utterly repulsive Russians??

 

In what way did the US "fall for it"?

We have hundreds of computer-generated responses to virtually any scenario you could imagine. Supercomputers in the Pentagon are fed in the latest data constantly and have various potential events fed into them. When such an eventuality actually occurs these predetermined courses of actions are immediately retrieved and put into action.

In this case, until the facts could be determined, these predetermined actions began to unfold as the reality of the missile's origin and intent were being determined (which in itself was a part of the simulation's determination of best course of action). One line of actions involved determining the facts regarding the missile strike. Another concurrent line of action was to put forces on alert and issue the best battle plan to all forces to be engaged should it be necessary to respond militarily. Another concurrent line of action was diplomatic. Another logistical as all munitions and supplies began flowing to our forces. These decisions and processes are automatic. There is no need to determine the best method of attack. It is already known and has been simulated hundreds of times prior to the missile strike even occurring from the real-time situation in the theatre and indeed world-wide including satellite and POTUS authority. I am sure it even knew the POTUS and G20 were in Indonesia and took into account anything this influenced.

Had it turned out to have actually been a Russian attack on Poland the course of action taken would have been different and the preparations for the response would already be underway in accordance with the predetermined best course of action. The simulation spits out everything every part of our defensive response needs to follow including any diplomatic task sets, logistics, maintenance, everything. Various decision points are included which determine what path should be taken once additional realities on the battlefield unfold. In this case, at some point in the response process it was determined the missile was fired by Ukraine and the collateral damage was deemed accidental. This determination immediately caused a different path in the line of action process to be followed in which the potential strike forces were returned to stand-down.

I would hardly consider this as the US "falling for it". Because everything unfolds in parallel to ensure any potential course of action is performed as rapidly and efficiently as possible even before it is determined to be the correct path it just looks like we might have been fooled.

 

A classic example of the deceitful Western press.







And in the end.



This is a vivid example of the false propaganda of the Western media, which even US presidents call fake news.

But what surprises me the most is not the deceitfulness of Western politicians, this has been known to everyone for a long time, but the dementia of Western media consumers surprises me.
The primitive brains of many of them cannot distinguish false propaganda from reality.
Remember how recently the Western media assured everyone that after the imposition of sanctions, Russia will die. Obviously, some propaganda articles were aimed at weak-minded consumers.
Anyone who has a brain understands that Russia is a self-sufficient country. The Russians have everything. From all kinds of minerals, to abundance in terms of food. And also there are all means to protect yourself.
And how to treat those who repeat Western propaganda like mantras? Can they be considered adequate people? Obviously not.

 

French edition.

- Kurwa!
- Volyn Massacre 2.0!

 

I think your lack of understanding stems from the fact you don't understand a free press as it exists in let's say the US. Free press does not mean accurate press. Our press is open. Information cannot be controlled or restricted. It is often extended by opinion or twisted in a misleading manner. We call this "fake news". Although our press is an industry in which sensationalism abounds to increase profits, printing inaccurate information is damaging to the reputation and future profits. Consumers won't frequent press which turns out to be out-and-out false or inaccurate. Furthermore, printing false, unverified information leaves them open to legal action for any damages it might cause. Not a single headline you listed was false. They may have been stated in a misleading and sensational manner, but they were all 100% accurate. Americans are used to such sensationalism and are actually very adept at reading between the lines. Don't make the assumption Americans take such sensationalism and leanings as gospel. Some are fooled by the sensationalism, most are not. It is a mistake to read press clippings from the US and think this is what Americans believe.

For example, when I see the first headline: "Russian barrage hits Ukraine amid claims missiles hit Poland" it might entice me to read. In the article it provides details about all the missiles Russia fired at Ukrainian civilian targets. I take this as verified truth since our press does not out and out lie for the most part. These are verifiable facts, and no language is included which would indicate this to be in doubt. It means the Guardian has verified with at least 3 reputable sources Russia did indeed fire on targets in Ukraine. It also leaves the Guardian open to legal action should this prove false. And Russia did barrage Ukraine so that much is truth. This is followed by the wording "amid claims missiles hit Poland". As Americans we immediately understand the inclusion of the word "claims" means the Guardian is indicating this has not been verified and they are therefore leaving themselves "an out" should this later prove not to be the case. Americans are actually quite savvy and pay close attention to the actual language used.

In another of your examples the headline is "Russian missiles hit Poland". This pushes the limit and rides the line of disinformation. It clearly gives the impression Russia fired on Poland. If the headline were to catch my eye (that is its purpose), I would read the underlying article and find the Metro article indicates, while the missile was Russian made, it isn't clear who fired it, as Ukraine too uses Russian made missiles. In my head I would be saying to myself, "Jeez, that headline is kinda misleading and pushing the limit regarding what it implied". I would also be of the mind not to purchase such a rag or take it seriously in the future. Most Americans then gravitate to press which is less misleading. This particular publication is well known for having sensational and misleading headlines. It is the type of publication which is placed at the check-out line where such headline too often result in a sale. It is exceedingly cheap to purchase and not considered a reputable publication. Every now and then these sensational headlines grab our interest and result in another sale of a garbage publication. It doesn't mean Americans believe such twist of the facts once read.

Russian press is controlled by the dictatorship and is basically a propaganda arm of the regime. Russian press, therefore, routinely spreads whatever lies the regime deems to be in its interests. Information is often withheld entirely and is forbidden to be printed regardless of the truth, relevance or importance to the public. Case in point was the Chernobyl disaster. Many Russians take such falsehoods as truth and fully engross the official line published by the regime. No such language is included to indicate what is fact from fiction.

Rest assured, those in the West are by and large quite savvy and reasonable. We don't form a definitive conclusion based on sensationalism from the Press.