Police officer chokes young black man who took his sister to prom outside Waffle House

No he wasn't else the perp wouldn't be able to talk and it was the perp that was trying to make the situation uncontrollable making force necessary to cuff him.

 

Yeah like the officer was doing removing teh perp from the scene, too bad the perp resisted but he did. Got that?

 

The lesson to be learned from the news stories is to stay the hell out of the Waffle Houses!

 

While I disagree with your 99.9% claim - I get the gist. It is no secret that police will respond negatively if their authority is challenged in any way.

Where I disagree is you blaming the victim for the police action. Just because someone questions police authority (regardless of whether or not this the "smart" thing to do) does not justify abuse of police power.

 

I'm not blaming actual victims for actual bad acts by cops. This case enraged me, as did the murderer's acquittal: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/08/arizona-police-shooting-philip-brailsford-acquitted

There are bad cops out there, there are corrupt precincts. that's a given....humans are imperfect, cops are human....some of them develop job-related prejudices, drink too much, live above their means/get in over their heads with debt, have crappy marriages, cheating spouses, insolent or troubled children....they're just as capable of letting unrelated stress or a bad day get the better of them as the rest of us.

All I'm saying is people should be mindful of that, and that the overwhelming majority of civilian/police encounters that go south are instigated and escalated by the civilian (and that teaching children that cops are the enemy and they don't have to respect their authority is not helping matters. at all)

 

Is choking part of police training? I seriously doubt it.
And it's a fact that cops have been fired for choking people in the past.

Choking is still choking.

 

Indeed. We have rules. And cops got fired for choking people in the past.
And I don't see the guy not obeying anything.

It's not clear enough. You think cops are above the law? Yes or no.

Not being able to talk only happens when the throat would be completely crushed. I've said this often enough. You systematically are ignoring this because apparently that serves your agenda. And nothing suggest that thug with a badge was in an uncontrollable situation. Not even remotely. You are making fake news.

 

History of arrest in the same location in which police are contacted, that's how patterns start, sort of like a red flag. No doubt if this 22 year old child went and shot up the place you'd blame racism and the gun. Well since the 22 year old child is black we'd never hear about it anyway; because of our racist press that ignores crimes committed by people of color...

 

I disagree - a whole lot of encounters that go south are escalated by the police. Then you have the problem of bad law which increase the number of interactions between police and citizens and increases animosity between the two.

The third problem with bad law is that it increases police power. People in general are most often self centered, arrogant, corrupt, xenophobic, jaded and downright nasty. As you stated previously - Police are People.

Power corrupts and more power corrupts more.

Respect for Authority: The Establishment hates individual liberty = has little respect for individual liberty. If the Gov't has no respect for individual liberty, what does this teach our children ? When cops are constantly harassing people for no justifiable reason "in certain neighborhoods and of a certain ethnicity" what do you think the children are being taught ?

 

Same location, different person.... so irrelevant and dumb

 

Does any blame for our increasingly militarized, increasingly skittish law enforcement officers rest with our coarsening, increasingly dysfunctional society?

In other words, should we still have Sheriff Andy Taylor's police department in a country that routinely chronicles somewhere between 30,000 and 40,000 gangland shootings per year?

 

What is relevant to you is actually totally irrelevant to me. What I see is a family of criminals being treated like criminals, what's the problem?

 

I'm white and not black but that's what I do when I'm approached by the police. Instead of "yassa boss" I use the word sir a lot.

 

It is often learned and created disfunction.

Our founding principle is respect for individual liberty - that individual liberty is "Above the legitimate authority of Gov't" and 2) that this authority comes from "we the people" as opposed to "divine right/God" as was the case in the past.

12 years of school and we manage not to teach the founding principle.
12 years of school and we manage not to teach the basics of Philosophy (logic, logical fallacy, what constitutes a valid argument, critical thinking).

You talk about Gangland shootings. I previously mentioned "Bad Law". It is not some big secret that Prohibition created "gangland shootings". When prohibition ended ... so did the crime associated with prohibition.

It is no different today. The war on drugs was 90% a war on Pot -as this was the most prevalent illegal drug. How many people were either sent to jail or marginalized from society because they indulged in Pot ?

Keeping pot illegal is 1) a violation of the founding principles 2) puts money into the pockets of gangs and fighting for this money results in turf wars and gangland killlings.

 

If you want to judge people with close relations than fine....



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Look at this.
Relationship between this overweight white thug with a badge compared to the one we're discussing is obvious. They look the same and work for the same governmental agency. The white thug with a badge got fired for choking this black dude. What is your problem?




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an other white overweight thug with a badge who got fired for choking.



And it is obvious. There are way too many people working as police officers who are bad apples than you like to admit.

 

My problem is that if you cooperate with the police you don't get choked, regardless of race. You struggle, you fight, you pay for it, its hardly difficult to understand. We have one of the most defense friendly legal systems on the planet, but that benefit does not apply if you act like a moron during arrest. I do not judge the entirety of a police career by a single photograph, I have nothing to base it off of, what happened prior, how long is this struggle in real time, not the frame by frame slow motion Monday morning quarterbacking...

 

There wasn't a fight with a cop. Everybody can see the dude remained totally calm even though the cop was choking him.

It's just like this one..
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...est-choke-pass-out-video-latest-a8326451.html

It's dude in the first pic. He says he can't breathe all the way until he passes out.
So your claim of you can't speak if you're choked... fake news!
And that all was also "resisting arrest".

Dude... cops got fired before... on that SINGLE account of choking people.
What is your problem?

 

Well the first part of your sentence is the difference and if you used the word "*******" nothing would probably happen.

 

It was no child.,



The man was clearly resisting arrest. The officers hands were on the MANS neck but he was not choking him. The man was resisting and the officer was struggling to control and arrest him.

 

Right, he was just checking to see what size the neck was on his shirt.

 

Doesn't matter what sets him off. Choking is an illegal tactic.

 

He did not choke him

 

He was asked to leave the premises and he refused. He was clearly struggling with the officer resisting his attempts to take him into custody.

No, do you believe police to not carry the color of law and nor have the authority to enforce the law and takes persons into custody?

If you are being choked you cannot speak no matter how many times you repeat otherwise And the officer was attempting to control the situation while the perp was not submitting to that control. Don't know why you believe it's OK to resist arrest and fight with police, hope you never get in a situation where the police are trying to take you into custody and you act on that fallacious belief.

 

Why did you leave out inconsiderate uncivil persons who go into places of public business and create disturbances that interfere with the law abiding citizens enjoying their lawful business.. You seem to asserting that this police officer was just riding around and saw this black punk eating in the Waffle House and just decided to go in an harass him and arrest him.

 

Neck? The hand was around his throat, and moving him up by the throat. You can see the victim not having his heels on the ground. That is choking in anybodies book.

There was nos struggle at all.