Poll about JFK Assassination: Who Killed JFK?

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Who Killed JFK?

Poll closed Sep 21, 2017.
  1. Lee Harvey Oswald; acting alone

    37.0%
  2. Lee Harvey Oswald was the trigger man; but as part of a larger conspriacy

    40.7%
  3. Lee Harvey Oswald was one of multiple triggermen.

    22.2%
  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Once again you have been proven wrong many have indeed made the same shot as Oswald.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    And as the telescopic sight was mounted on the left side of the rifle it was not necessary to use the telescopic sight and one could easily aim at the target over iron sights.

    the while misalinged scope issue is meaningless
     
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    The constraints of having to fire from a makeshift shooter's nest and not from a comfy lounge chair or padded platform, free from worry about being seen, free from firing cold before one is ready, free from the incredible pressure of pulling off an unprecedented crime with only a very few seconds in which to do so and a one time only window to perform under. What constraints do you think I meant?

    The only true test would be for someone to shoot from a mock up of the shooter's nest with it's dimensions and draw backs, without any warm up or practice at all, at a target that only comes by once and with only a few moment's notice with a defective scope to try and look through, somehow.;

    That is truly recreating the conditions Oswald performed under, allegedly. and even at that, none of the mental pressure or anxiety of such a crime would be present.
    And the effects of nerves and tension on any human being would be enormous and impossible to discount (not that you would ever be able to acknowledge such unimaginable pressure).



    What do you mean "not sure" what practice Oswald had. The experts attempting to recreate Oswald's alleged deed were able to go off and warm up by shooting just before they took their turns. How about Oswald? Or do you think he squeezed off some practice rounds at the back of the TSBD moments before the motorcade came by? I hope this isn't a difficult question for you.


    Yes there is and just because you are too lazy and afraid to go look at the documentation on that doesn't mean you are right. Grow up.

    All were experienced shooters or they would not have been part of these videos.

    What "extensive training" would that be? Oswald's gun training in basic training was hardly extensive and the "basic in basic training should tell you somehting. I served next to Marines at Camp Pendleton and my father was a gunnery sergeant in the Army (that is, a shooting instructor). I know more than a little about this unlike you.
    You are once more speaking from a position of ignorance and hopeful guessing and at any rate, Oswald's rating as a shooter was near the bottom of the rankings.


    I invited you before to take a look at the Zapruder film to see for yourself what the foliage was like in and around Dealy Plaza, but of course you were too lazy or afraid to look. And if you don't think a man with a rifle barrel sticking out of the window in a building overlooking the presidential motorcade route might draw attention then you are just too much of a clown to
    bother with. Who can take you seriously? Not me. Not by a long shot.



    I never said there wasn't enough time to point and click the trigger three times in six seconds. I said that actually hitting a moving target
    twice in that time frame was something else again but why honestly deal with the issues when you can invent crap to make your sorry
    case for you? You are a bona fide know nothing.
     
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  4. Soupnazi

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    Arranging boxes in a snipers nest in fact creates as much comfort as was done in all the tests.
    They fired cold bore shots as well and proved it could be done.

    Six second is plenty of time to aim and fire 3 shots as has been proven time and time again.

    The FBI had experts fire under the EXACT same conditions using the exact same rifle and the EXACT same boxes and the EXACT same window and showed it could be done.

    There was no foliage directly between Oswald and Kennedy when Oswald fired.

    The rifle barrel sticking out from the window DID attract the attention of a few witnesses which you would know if you had bother to read the WC.

    And once again the misaligned scope is irrelevant as no scope was needed.



    The evidence has been posted here proving you flat out wrong and that is that.

    At this point you are grasping at straws and the only one here speaking in ignorance
     
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  5. Lesh

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    Great. Post links proving that
     
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    Nope. The argument is that with that crappy rifle firing at that moving target , especially with that skill level it is nearly impossible.

    Actual experts tried to recreate that sequence of shots and very few could get a reconditioned Carcano to fire three shots without jamming and even fewer could make those shots under ideal conditions. That's without the pressure of shooting tat the POTUS.

    For a (poor shooting) novice to score one hit and then reacquire a site picture in that misaligned scope after cycling that clunky bolt and score an even better shot (after COMPLETELY missing his first shot) is about as unbelievable as it gets. To claim he left the scope on and looked around it to score those hits is even more unbelievable.

    Also no recreated shots could penetrate ballistic gel and hit the number of bones the Magic Bullet did and come out looking ANYTHING like the Magic Bullet did. They were ALWAYS severely deformed.
     
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    Already did more than once.

    Try post #267 or #262 or #257
     
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    Cut a little short but it showed 17 out of 35 rifle malfunctions (that's pretty friggin bad) and most did NOT score the hits required.
     
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    Several did which is the point.

    Other links provided show others doing it as well.

    The that he could not have done it is flat out debunked and proven wrong
     
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    It is no where near impossible and that has been proven.

    Several have done it without jamming and many people over the years have proven it.

    Oswald was not a novice or a poor shot as has been proven. he did not need to use the scope which even you have acknowledged.

    The ballistic gel tests do not take into account that the bullet was a tumbler which would have somersaulted after hitting kennedy which is why the major deformation is on the back end.

    No matter how much you try you have failed and the issue is settled
     
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    See folks; it went from “nobody can recreate the shots” to “Oswald had to also worry about X, Y, and Z”.
    Numerous persons on both videos posted on the previous pages were able to re-create the actions the WC attributed to LHO. That is no longer a point of discussion.
     
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    It removes the “nobody has recreated _______” lie from the discussion.
     
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    An expert shooting at stationary targets.

    Some proof
     
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    I didn't see anyone actually making those hits on that video of the moving target. I did see many NOT make it

    And I'm not saying it CAN'T be done...it's highly unlikely...Obviously
     
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    Ignoring the rest of the examples I see.

    Any claim that it was impossible for Oswald to do the shooting is proven false.
     
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    Nothing unlikely about it especially when all the evidence proves he did and no evidence points to another shooter.

    No other shell casings, no other bullets, no other guns found. Funny how all sorts of evidence proves Oswald did it and all anyone can do is try to make up crap about it was nearly impossible which MEANS it virtually could not be done and you DID claim it was nearly impossible.

    The evidence flat out proves you wrong however
     
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    Hardly. It didn't show ANYONE who actually made those shots
     
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    Every example I saw didn't support your claim/And I reposted them.

    Show us the ones you claim supports your claims please
     
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    That is a baldfaced lie they support my claim and conclusively prove you wrong.
     
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    What a chidlish lie.

    You have been massively proven wrong and the evidence is in your face, just grow up
     
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    I guess I'm one of those people.

    I am convinced that Oswald was involved, and most likely the only shooter. But ....

    The Mafia had plenty of motivation to kill Kennedy, and Jack Ruby had mafia connections. So I guess I'll never be sure if Oswald acted completely on his own.
     
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    POST the video you claim supports you. HERE
     
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    Already asked answered and done you have been massively proven wrong.
     
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    I knew you wouldn't
     
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    Because you saw them already and know they destroy your claim
     

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