Poll about JFK Assassination: Who Killed JFK?

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Who Killed JFK?

Poll closed Sep 21, 2017.
  1. Lee Harvey Oswald; acting alone

    37.0%
  2. Lee Harvey Oswald was the trigger man; but as part of a larger conspriacy

    40.7%
  3. Lee Harvey Oswald was one of multiple triggermen.

    22.2%
  1. Lesh

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    Then destroy it. Post them here. Oh you won't because they don't show what you claim...like the two I DID find didn't
     
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    Impossible?
    No. Just HIGHLY unlikely
     
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    If you feel that way, you simply did not watch the film.
     
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    Again...17 out of 37 had rifle malfunctions (that's how bad this rifle is) and they only mentioned TWO people that scored the number of hits necessary. Does that make it impossible?

    No . But HIGHLY unlikely
     
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    Experts firing at stationary targets

    Hardly conclusive
     
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    A US Marine who makes 2 out of 3 shots at a slowly moving target? That is "highly unlikely" in your book? You need a new book if that is actually the case. At some point, if you're going to be treated seriously, you have to get serious and look at what happened free from all of the static and other noise.

    I think it is HIGHLY unlikely (to use your phrase) that...

    A guy who happens to defect from the US to Russia (one of the few during the height of the cold war) is also
    A guy who happens to defect from Russia to the US (one of the few during the height of the cold war) with his family is also
    A guy who is arrested in New Orleans while passing out Anti-Kennedy propaganda is also
    A guy who leaves the nation and goes to Mexico right before the assassination and visits the Cuban embassy (while giving his CIA tail the slip) is also
    A guy who comes back and who just happens to be working along the motorcade route so he can shoot the President.

    Coincidence happen all the time, there seems to be an inordinate amount of them where Lee Oswald is concerned.
     
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    Nothing "coincidental" about this at all especially when you realize Oswald had some rather unconventional living arrangements while there
    http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/free/lobster70/lob70-oswald-and-japan.pdf

    Obviously the only sort of person, especially one with Oswald's background in military intelligence, who could go into Russia to "defect" at the height of the Cold War and come back out again, as if nothing had happened, would be someone sent into Russia to try and gain information under the cover of a "defector" (a ruse Oswald continued as a pro communist malcontent in New Orleans) which came in very handy when it came time to pin Kennedy's murder on this so called communist sympathizer.
    That was Oswald's reward for playing the friend of communist Cuba on the street corners of New Orleans.. He might just as well have walked around with a big sandwich sign that read "commie sympathizer" on it.

    You mean pro Cuba literature...right? It helps to get the details correct when you are alleging something about someone you know nothing about.
    Actually if you knew anything about the subject, which you don't, you would know about Oswald's association with the virulently anti Castro
    element in New Orleans which was running guns and money from the CIA to the army recruited to retake Cuba at the Bay of Pigs. http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKSinvestAntiCastro.htm

    The CIA says Oswald was in Mexico City visiting the Cuban embassy but they lie a lot (a lot) and the person on security cameras there is definitely NOT Lee Harvey Oswald. http://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Oswald_in_Mexico_City.html
    Did the CIA tell you, whoops...Oswald gave us the slip? That's hilarious!

    It's hard to tell just how gullible you are. You certainly are profoundly ignorant when it comes to Lee Harvey Oswald.

    Yes, this is a very convenient "coincidence", alright. Guess who got Oswald that job?
    http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2013/09/why-cia-assigned-ruth-paine-to-oswalds.html

    That should tell the average thinking human being something. After awhile those "coincidences"
    just seem too plentiful and too convenient to be true.
    But I know you don't read citations that are given to you and you resist actually using your brain because you may discover something disturbing so don't give it another thought (I know you won't).
     
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    OK let's unpack.

    Your claim that Oswald made these shots is supported by a video in which only half of the weapons of the type Oswald supposedly used worked...and only a few of the experts were able to duplicate the shots at a moving target...and they weren't shooting a the POTUS.

    Yes for a shooter as poor as Oswald demonstrably was to do that is HIGHLY unlikely.


    That's a hell of a lot of unlikely circumstances
     
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    :bored:
     
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    2 out of 3; 67%…an “F” if we’re talking about a term paper. HIGHLY unlikely? No. In fact, if you flipped a coin 3 times, it would land on heads or tails 2 out of 3 times…guaranteed!

    Either you’re just being argumentative or you’re incredibly ignorant.
     
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    What are you even claiming?

    The shooters in that video (experienced shooters who had an opportunity to practice beforehand) did far worse than that. It only mentions 3 out of the 37 who had even TWO hits
     
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    Not highly unlikely either.

    The evidence proves he did it and nothing disputes that fact
     
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    It does not make it unlikely either.
     
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    Learning new things is scary to some.
     
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    That Oswald could have ( and did do (at least) done the shooting. The claims of impossibility are incredibly juvenile when the standard that all agree on are 2 out of 3 for a US Marine.
     
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    The next time you guys teach anyone something new will be the first time.
     
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    Just like how the next time you learn anything will be a new experience for you. You are remarkably uninformed, even by troll standards.
     
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    I never said it was impossible. Most things are "possible". But this whole scenario is highly UNLIKELY...in the extreme
     
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    In post #281 you claimed it was NEARLY impossible. Which is not the same as unlikely.

    It was not unlikely either. The fact is the evidence proves Oswald fired the 3 shots and the ONLY 3 shots hitting the target twice. In addition all the evidence presented proves that he had the skill to do so and the rifle was adequate to the task.

    Your waffling and backpedaling trying to save face by changing your stance to UNLIKELY is a failure. When it is possible as in within the range of the shooter's ability and the capabilities of the rifle and we can present evidence that he did so then the argument of likely or unlikely is irrelevant.
     
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    Especially considering Dallas police could find no traces of gunpowder residue on Oswald's face the day he was arrested (something
    that signals he fired no weapons), his Manlicher-Carcano rifle was not the weapon found when police first got to the sixth floor and
    no one can place him on that floor just before, during or after the assassination itself.

    That makes his being the shooter about as likely as Bob Hope pulling that trigger from the TSBD window.
     
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    Again with the debunked claims.

    The Manlicher Carcano was the weapon found at the scene. Yes witnesses placed him on that floor as does the evidence of his rifle.

    Paraffin residue tests were not reliable and prove nothing

    The evidence proves he was there and the only one who fired a weapon
     
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    2 out of 3 is “extremely unlikely”? Maybe if you’re landing on a comet or asteroid. For a Marine firing at a target that is taking zero evasive maneuvers? It’s hardly unlikely. Those are the facts…now back to whatever it is you’re smoking.
     
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    Source for that fallacy about the MC not being found?
     
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    Yet here you are on my thread trying to convince us that a marine hitting 2 out of 3 shots is highly unlikely….
     
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    You keep touting your strawman. No one ever said two out of three is extremely unlikely.

    You and your toadie touted videos where only 3 out of 37 experienced shooters could even score that many hits.

    Oswald was a HORRIBLE shot who shot so poorly that he was close to being kicked out for poor marksmanship (yes you need to score at least "marksman" in order to be a Marine and he only made THAT by one shot).

    For Oswald to have made those shots with that rifle...yes...that was extremely unlikely.

    Just as his defection and return at the height of the Cold War was extremely unlikely and the fact that his handler got him the job at the TBD just three weeks before the assassination was extremely unlikely
     

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