POLL: Ban the Burqa?

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02...stitution-christianity-national-religion.html

BTW As a US Army veteran I swore an oath to protect and defend the US Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. These Republicans that want to dismantle the US Constitution are the "domestic enemies" of the Constitution that I swore an oath to defend the Constitution from.

If they were successful in dismantling the US Constitution and replacing it with a Christian Theocracy then they have the Power of Government to force the people to comply with their religious beliefs.

Say goodbye to the protected Natural/Unalienable/Inalienable Rights and say hello to the Salem Witch Trials and the Spanish Inquisition.

 

good for you, neither have I, but personal anecdotes aren't very relevant.

Quite a vivid imagination you got there.

But that's exactly what I'm doing. The best way to get people to vote how I want them to vote is to stop the spread of values which are antithetical to my values, e.g. islamic values. I'd argue it's you who don't understand what freedom is about or how it works. Don't take my word for that, listen to your founding fathers. What was it they said again about your constitution being made only for "a moral" people? Obviously they agree with me that the values of the people is important, and thus in order to keep freedom you need to maintain the values, and thus you need to actively work against antithetical values like islamic values.

As I've said, I am not a defender of women's rights to be stupid. Sure, some muslim women might by their free will want to wear a burka. But as i've said, I ask: why would you want that? Only two alternatives exist as far as I know (and you tell me if you know of any more) either she is forced or she wears it because she has stone age morals. Yes, they do need to justify why they want to wear it to me, or I'm gonna vote to ban it. Unless I can hear one good reason, and I never have heard one, I will vote to ban it. The way I see it, the only reason one'd voluntarily wear it is a stupid reason, so by banning it I'm just helping them avoid being stupid. I'm not primarily concerned with their freedom or whatever, freedom is highly overrated, especially in these areas, so I don't really care much about arguments based on that.

 

This is why we have different countries. Here in this thread you have both left and right agreeing that your stance on this is wrong based on what we believe our country represents. Being a Muslim doesn't warrant you cant vote any more than being a Christian. For the record I disagree with all religions. I think its nutter, that's my right to believe that as well as its their right to believe it. Its none of my business to prevent their vote based on what I believe or they believe. Once you do that there is nothing stopping people from disenfranchising other people for different reasons. This is why we vote in a democratic process in the first place.

 

Burkas are blue and they are worn in Afghanistan. Abayas and Chadors are worn elsewhere.. They don't cover the face. Nigab covers the face.. and I think Nigab should be banned in the US.

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Burkas are blue and they are worn in Afghanistan. Abayas and Chadors are worn elsewhere.. They don't cover the face. Nigab covers the face.. and I think Nigab should be banned in the US.

 

This should help.

What is the difference between Nigab, Hijab and Burka?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/24118241

 

You need to take the religion and emotion out of it.

I do not agree with so-called religious freedom because laws should apply to all citizens. It is illegal to wear a mask in public isn't it? You cannot go into a business wearing a mask or a helmet or anything that hides your identity because people would assume that you are a criminal. For public safety we need to make sure citizens do not hide their identity in public - including Muslims.

We know that male Muslim terrorists have had help from their wives in the past and this will certainly continue to happen into the future. Allowing female Muslims to hide their identity in public is putting the public in danger and making the job of those that protect us from terrorism more difficult than it already is.

So yes the burqa must be banned.

 

I agree that the nigab (face mask) should be banned. We can't have masked people in banks, schools, restaurants, on airplanes etc... and it shouldn't be a big deal or interpreted as insulting or discriminatory.

 

different countries indeed. We have islamism in the middle east and freedom in western countries. let's try to keep it that way shall we?

first of all, both the left and right are split on the issue of a ban. pretty much down the middle i'd say. this isn't a left-right issue at all. plenty of rightist are for a ban, plenty of leftists are also for a ban. secondly, your country isn't libertarian. You might be a libertarian, your country is not. Banning a burqa isn't incompatible with "americanness". stop trying to elevate your own ideology to being "what our country represents".

thirdly, I'm not saying we should ban muslims from voting. muslims who hold western values are not a problem at all. All I want is for muslims to drop their islamic values and adopt western values, so they will vote accordingly. And to further that goal, we need to actively work against islamic values where-ever they arise. it's a culture war of sorts. gotta help them assimilate so they can become good citizens. anyone wearing a burqa is 100% guaranteed to not be a good citizen.

I know the differences, but as I believe I have said already, I'd be in favour of banning abayas and other garb too. Why? Because they stand for the same thing. abayas are just burqa-lite. They symbolise that they hold different values -islamic values which we don't want in the west- and refuse to assimilate. Turkey banned headscarves because they thought it represented islamic values which stood in the way of progress. other muslim countries have also banned them for the same reason. I think they were right, and we can expect they know what they're doing seeing as they are muslims themselves. We in the west should ban it for the same reason.

 

I admit there are some bad Muslims and Christians, but the majority are not.....

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