PP "harvesting" fetuses up to 22 weeks

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  1. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Yawn, yet more hyperbole and irrelevance from the pro-forced birth brigade.
     
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    excellent phrasing

    I can show losses or zero profit if I'm so inclined. That is all that the baby killers have, is to dance around semantics

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    yes, we are an evil sort to want babies to have the right to life
     
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    nothing would be acceptable for you unless it adheres to your own ideology .. but her are the figures anyway.

    - http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6015a1.htm

    or how about one from a pro-life site, would that be acceptable to you?

    - http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

    Neither are they profiting, but of course you don't even understand what profit is.
     
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    Yawn, everyone of those videos has been exposed for the edited pile of crap they are.

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    Oh look a conspiracy theory :roflol:

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    Obviously it is none of your business

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    Yep the right to life at the expense of another person .. so noble of you.

    BTW there is no such thing as a "right to life"
     
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    """"is to dance around semantics""" ....ya, Pro-choicers use the correct words for things, Anti-Choicers make up stuff.

    Yes, evil is taking away women's rights to their own bodies and dressing it up as "defending babies".
     
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    I don't have to prove anything to you. This is the most corrupt administration (and it's lackey agencies) ever and people know it. History will not judge them kindly. When obama is out of office wait and see the knives and condemnation come cascading out.

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    I don't have to prove it. They've already admitted it. Now let's see if our corrupt DOJ does anything about it.

    When the criminals are in charge, there is not justice. This administration is chock full of bad people and criminals.

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    Thanks for reposting it. Good for emphasis.

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    You've described progressives perfectly.
     
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    At the point of most abortions, there is no "little human being", it is only a possibility. But, IAC, when a woman chooses abortion, she has decided that she knows the possibility well enough already and does not want an extended relationship.


    Women are just trying to control their own lives.


    When people talk about pregnancy as "inconvenience", or ending a pregnancy as "convenience", it's a dead certain give-away that they have never experienced pregnancy. Once again, at the point of most abortions, there is no "someone", it's only a possibility.
     
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    1) Which people?

    2) What's your point here?
     
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    ANY people who refer to pregnancy as "inconvenient." ANY people who refer to abortion as "convenient."

    The point is that using the word "convenient" is an attempt to trivialize the cost of pregnancy to a woman. The connotation connected with the word "convenient" implies that it's a minor matter. Pregnancy/childbirth is a major life-changing event, it's not a minor matter.
     
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    I realize pregnancy is not trivial, but is it really fair to call it "a major life-changing event" when the woman does not have to keep the baby? In either situation the woman was pregnant, and knew she had a life growing inside of her, so in that sense getting an abortion really does not erase the life-changing significance of having been pregnant.
     
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    No, Planned Parenthood never said that they sell fetal tissue, let alone for profit.

    You can't prove your claims because your claims are false.
     
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    You are correct, but many people ASSUME otherwise.
     
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    doctors harvest organs up until the point you die, if I die next week, doctors will harvest my organs

    must be some sick doctors that will harvest my dead body for organs......

    heck, some harvest kidneys while people are still alive, yikes! Monsters they are....

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    All unsubstantiated rubbish. A fetus, zygote, embryo is always a human being if it is a human one.
     
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    In my other thread I presented evidence that they were harvesting organs while the fetus was technically still alive, in some cases:

    Organ Harvesting in Abortion Clinics
     
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    It is even more traumatic for a woman to give up a child for adoption than to have an abortion. So if she gives birth, she must either change her life in a major way to provide for a child or she must face years of emotional trauma connected with the adoption. Neither choice should be referred to as "convenience" or "inconvenient." Nor should the abortion choice be referred to as "convenience", as it really is not.
     
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    Most people would define "A human being" as one with a working brain.
     
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    Yeah, criminals never want to admit their crimes either.

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    I see, so 'women' are currently not in control of their lives unless PP exists? What happened to contraception and/or personal responsibility?
     
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    No, you don't 'see.' Contraception is a great assistance in giving women control of their lives, but it is not as reliable as one could wish and it is not as easily accessed by all as would be desirable. PP provides a great deal of help in making contraception more easily available, no other organization is comparable. Women are exercising personal responsibility when they choose contraception, abortion, giving birth, adoption, or rearing a child themselves. If you want to see women exercise personal responsibility, don't hamper them with TRAP laws or other legislation.
     
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    you mean like they harvest a kidney while some people are still alive even....


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    Contraception is available everywhere and now with Obamacare this should not be an issue and we don't need to spend 1/2 billion dollars funding PP. Unless a woman is criminally raped, how does she not have control over her own reproduction actions?
     
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    Aside from the fact you just admitted that organ harvesting is done on a human being, the stark fact is that a fetus has no say over the procedure and is given no anesthetic and is not even given the mercy being poisoned to death (which is a typical procedure) before being crunched so that its organs can be preserved and sold.
     
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    Those organs need to be as fresh as possible before they go in the cooler.

    Maintaining fresh organs is so important that medical researchers have devised a machine that can keep a human heart beating for several hours while it is awaiting implantation into a recipient.

    If the blood flow through the organ stops for more than 2-5 minutes and the temperature is not kept cold, the tissue will experience hypoxia and severe necrosis, meaning it becomes useless to medical research. They do not have the luxury of waiting for the baby to die.
     

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