PP "harvesting" fetuses up to 22 weeks

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  1. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course it is, are you not an organ donor? It's a wonderful gift.

    A parent or legal guardian makes the decision for organ donation for children up to age 18.

    There is no need for anesthetic:

    No abortions are done for the purpose of organ donation.

    Planned Parenthood does not sell fetal tissue.
     
  2. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    Abortion: the gift that keeps on giving
     
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    A fetus, zygote or embryo can be human, they are not A human. They are not a person.
     
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    Oh, c'mon, you are not that new to the abortion debate,...or did you think something changed since you were here before?

    Contraception is available but the safest, most reliable is also the most expensive....some forms of BC are not reliable and some can fail.

    HOWEVER, women are under NO obligation to use BC .


    Women cannot totally control if they get pregnant.


    And PP is NOT given 1/2 a Billion dollars , my GAWD! the Lies!!!

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    A fetus cannot feel pain and is not a person so has no say (even if it could think and talk)
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    And you'd rather have this tissue just thrown away rather than be used for research? Have you taken the time to google just how many illnesses and diseases are aided by research on tissue?? Guess not or you wouldn't appear so...."lacking in knowledge"
     
  6. Anders Hoveland

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    In many cases they have to kill the fetus, or at least cut it's life shorter than what it would otherwise be, to get those tissues. In some cases the fetuses might even have had a chance of long-term survival, having been so prematurely removed from the woman. That's the most disturbing part.
     
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    UH, in an abortion the POINT is to cut short the life of the fetus. NO, the fetuses in most abortions cannot live outside the womb as you SHOULD know by now...
    IF they are viable they are past 23 weeks and the abortion is illegal.
     
  8. Anders Hoveland

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    A fetus can live several minutes, hours, sometimes even DAYS outside of the woman, before it eventually succumbs to complications resulting from extremely premature delivery.

    Typically in an induced labor abortion (generally performed at around 16-21 weeks gestation), the fetus comes out and is initially moving around its tiny little arms and legs, desperately gasping for breath, but its little lungs are so underdeveloped that it quickly loses consciousness after just a few minutes. The heart can continue beating for several hours afterwards.

    Not true. With modern medical care, a fetus born at 22 weeks has a 10-20% chance of survival. There have even been a small number of extremely rare documented cases where a 21 week old fetus survived.
     
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    And you have been told many times, you 've had it proven to you, that those cases are extremely rare and cost hundreds of thousands or dollars and are meaningless because if a woman decides to abort she can abort.

    The legal cut off is 23 weeks,. No fetus is left to linger for days , that's just more of you ridiculous anti-Choice baloney.
     
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    My friend had tiny twins at 24 weeks... and before they left the hospital the bill was over 2.5 million dollars.
     
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    If hospital services such as neonatal intensive care units were as deregulated as abortions clinics currently are I bet the cost would have been MUCH cheaper. Heck, some States even have nurses performing the abortions now:
    California gives the green light for non-physicians to perform abortions

    Something's wrong when it costs 2.5 million to stick a baby in an incubator and put it on oxygen, while a woman can procure an abortion for under 500 hundred.
     
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    :eekeyes:...and who pays ?
     
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    Ironically most of this money is going to deal with potential liabilities. If something goes wrong and the baby dies, the hospital could get sued for millions of dollars. Abortion clinics don't have to worry about that because the woman does not want her baby.
     
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    Obamacare is a method of payment, not a medical service. That means that Obamacare does not guarantee a clinic will be in your neighborhood. PP is large enough to negotiate the cheapest prices for the services they offer, so if they are eliminated and private for-profit clinics absorb those services, they will cost much more than 1/2 billion dollars. To have control over her reproduction, a woman also needs abortion as a back-up, contraception is not that reliable. And the most reliable contraception is the most expensive, so often not available to every woman.
     
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    PP "harvesting" fetuses up to 22 weeks

    Which is LEGAL.
     
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    Oh please, tell me, where is contraception NOT available in the U.S.?
     
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    You are being ridiculous.. you really don't know squat about neonatal ICU.

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    In this case she was an exec with AT&T... and her insurance paid.
     
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    That's easily done by using birth control. How hard is it to take a pill once a day? Any low IQ woman can accomplish that. Geez.
     
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    That's easily done by getting an abortion.....they're legal :)


    Oh, and this isn't your 1970's, this is the 21st century......
     
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    You do understand that some women cannot tolerate hormonal BC, do you not? You do understand that BC varies in its effectiveness with different women? Nah, I guess not, understanding takes some effort.
     
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    more abortions are performed on the unborn 20 weeks and order then people that have been killed by fire arms every year
     
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    How easy is it to take a pill at the same time every day without fail for 30 years?
     
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    No. They discussed compensation for giving fetal tissue away for free. Selling fetal tissue is illegal.

    Get your facts straight.
     
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    New Hampshire defunds Planned Parenthood facilities

    Chris Sununu is a pro-choice Republican, but when he voted Wednesday to defund Planned Parenthood clinics in New Hampshire, he viewed it as a vote in favor of women’s health, not against.

    Before the New Hampshire Executive Council’s 3-2 vote denying the contract, he said he received separate calls from five young women — both pro-choice and pro-life — who told him they refused to set foot in Planned Parenthood clinics, even though they needed services and those were their closest options.

    “All of them were unemployed and had actually gotten rides to other parts of the state so they could go to another provider that wasn’t Planned Parenthood and that didn’t have this umbrella of scrutiny hanging over them,” said Mr. Sununu. “And that sort of hit home.”
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/5/new-hampshire-defunds-planned-parenthood-facilitie/
     
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    Madam, because of the sheer abundance of abortions in this country, it's simple logic that most of them indeed are due to laziness and ignorance. And there's no such thing as sluttiness nowadays because our society has come to accept sleeping around as normal. I'll say it again; most of these women are lazy or stupid. There's just no damn excuse for the high numbers.

    So far this year, PP alone has performed over 196,000 abortions.
    http://www.numberofabortions.com/

    There are a lot of lazy stupid women out there. I personally was on BCP's for 12 years and I never had it "fail". Not even once. Your debate on this matter rings hollow.
     

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