Protesters topple Silent Sam Confederate statue at UNC

You mean like the woman caused her rape by wearing a short skirt?

 

But before 1861. seceding from the Union was legal, even Abraham Lincoln said so on the floor of Congress.

 

No I mean like a robber caused the shootout with cops by robbing the bank.

 

Oh come on man, that was the whole point of having a Union. So that we'd be stronger. It's written right in the constitution. The purpose as stated in the Preamble to the Constitution, "to form a more perfect Union" among the States, to ensure peace at home, and to provide for defense against foreign enemies.

 

It was a news bulletin, breaking news.

But there's a connection to the thread topic, the American Taliban when not toppling American war memorials are also supporting illegal aliens, open borders and defend all illegal aliens including MS-13.

 

Robbing a bank and a shoot out are two different things, but I can tell you are desperate to justify the invasion of the South and the death of almost 700,000 Americans and an authoritarian effort to impose Federal authority across the land. You are also seeking to push Post-Civil War values on Pre-Civil War people.

People who read history know that, before the Civil War, states were mostly autonomous and loosely bound by the Constitution. Famous Civil War authority Shelby Foote once said "Before the war, it was said "the United States are." Grammatically, it was spoken that way and thought of as a collection of independent states. And after the war, it was always "the United States is," as we say today without being self-conscious at all. And that sums up what the war accomplished. It made us an "is.""

 

Translation: You are correct, Max. I was just derailing and flamebaiting while standing on the body of a dead girl.

No worries, dude.

 

You claimed the reason for the civil war was Lincoln feared foreign invasion and you can't back your claim up with any historical document. Case closed.
On the other hand the real history hear is Lincoln feared a civil war because he feared that would lead to foreign intervention but he took the risk and stood up to the South anyway. I'm sure you don't know this so I'll look for another link to help educate you.


"The most sensitive issue in foreign affairs during the Civil War, for both North and South, was outside intervention. All other international disputes paled in comparison with the threat that either British or French (or both) involvement in the American war posed to the republic, whether divided or united in the war and afterward. So serious did the Lincoln administration regard the threat of intervention that the fiery secretary of state, William H. Seward, warned both Britain and France that recognition of the Confederacy as a nation meant war with the Union. The Anglo-French reaction to the American war rested on realistic considerations rather than moral sentiment over slavery, yet the growing level of atrocity repelled them, fostering intervention as a means for ending the bloodshed and stemming the growing collateral damage that threatened neutrals and the entire Atlantic economy. Humanitarians in both countries felt a moral obligation to stop a horrific war that had led to unparalleled bloodshed. Realists took a hard-line view. The Lord Palmerston ministry in London was concerned about empire, fearing that an imperialist Union government might quash southern aspirations for self determination and then turn its sights on Canada along with the vast markets of Latin America. Emperor Napoleon III in France had his own imperial designs, hoping to use Mexico as a wedge for reestablishing French influence in the New World and thereby redressing the international balance of power in his favor. All these factors and more combined to put pressure on the British government (followed by the French) to mediate an end to the fighting."

https://www.nps.gov/home/learn/historyculture/lincolnandwest.htm

 

And are we only loosely bound by the 2nd Amendment? As in f*** it, it isn't the law of the land?

 

Exactly the point I have been trying to make to another poster in here.

As for who started the war the south did when they not only attempted to leave the union but also tried to bring Western States along with them thus threatening Western expansion by the union.

 

Does the Constitution give you your rights or does it limit the Federal government?

 

Secession didn't start the Civil War. The Civil War started when Lincoln invaded Virginia. It's like a couple divorce. The wife leaves and, the husband being pissed off and a control freak, goes over to her new apartment and shoots both her and her new boyfriend. Now tell me the wife was asking for it.

 

Analogy fail

 

No, I said that the dissolution of the union would make America vulnerable to outside aggression.

Exactly, proving my point. A threat to the union, like a civil war, would/could bring about outside aggression. Proving the reason to have a strong Union.

 

Translation: Ya got me, Max!

No worries, dude. No doubt more people can see the analogy of the Secession being a divorce with a pissed of murdering husband than your analogy of a bank robbery.

 

Agreed, but so what? If attacked from the outside, and had the North and South remained amicable, wouldn't it be in their best interests to work together against a common enemy?

 

they need to be moved to a museum or something, maybe to Maralago

 

First you backpedal from your assertion that fear of invasion was Lincoln's motivation for keeping the union together then you try to morph invasion into intervention. You are a waste of my time. Have a nice day.

 

But no guarantee. The states signed the constitution to guarantee our strength.

 

the confederates lost, they do not deserve to be put on plaques in the center of town or on state house lawns, move the statues of hate to a more appropriate place

 

BS, you lost the debate.

 

Instead of committing a crime and vandalizing private property? What do you think should be done those who committed felony vandalism?

 

Because Federal laws rule with absolution and all states must kneel before the Federal government?

 

I just said, I think they should be moved to a museum

if caught they should be charged and a jury decide their fate, like any other case (unless your the President, then your above the law)

 

...and people can never divorce?