Psychologists call 'traditional masculinity' harmful, face uproar from conservatives

The Real Issue is that we are going to live in a highly politicized woke society
that will resemble a George Orwell nightmare. Our Woke Masters will be the
pigs in this society - they can shut you down - your job, Facebook, Twitter,
eBay, your bank account.
You will be hated because you spoke against a man marrying two 12 year
old girls for a weekend marriage when he already has two wives, another
husband and three gay sex boys.
That families are broken, depressed people euthanized, racial hatred is
normalized again, anti-Semitism is a just cause, children are sexualized
and so on makes no difference.
And you will have to conform to The Next Cause - whatever that might be.
Permanent revolution - Frankfurt School style.

 

That is not at all what this study is about. This study is about pressurising boys to be something they are not. In this situation boys cannot be weak whereas the reality is that every single person who walks the earth is sometimes weak. It encourages them to be violent. It encourages them to be negative towards women - this likely goes with the belief that a 'man' is violent, This study by experts says that encouraging boys to be like this ends up in a bad outcome for life - but go ahead and support it for all I care, if you want a bad life.

 

I take the broad view of all the elements of the woke rainbow.
Getting boys to play with dolls is supposed to create better boys.
But the rainbow is quite soft on issues on living together, divorce
and etc which ends up with boys having no fathers in many cases.
This leads to boys becoming more aggressive males.
(I think 75% of all black American children have no father figure)

So... why don't PC social activists begin with the obvious? In part
because they have created these angry, sexualized and aggressive
boys.

I suggest softer boys isn't the real issue - it's social control and
who has it.
This is never apparent in viewing a single issue. You have to take
on board ALL political correct/woke issues to see the larger pattern.

 

The problem with you and some other people here is that you are bringing your own psychosis to this thread and to the report. I put what it was about in this post http://www.politicalforum.com/index...m-conservatives.568842/page-2#post-1071482287

They found that acting in the way described, resulted in bad futures. There is no point in you making up other things. They are quite clear on what the issue is. The fact that you want to make up stuff just shows how out of touch with reality you, and some others are.

You call top specialists citing their report PC. You may want a world where everyone can get away with rape but it aint going to happen. The only place where you will feel results for your behaviour is by the law and for some suicide. Of course people could find they have their children removed for treating their children in this way but that is because this is an abusive way to force children to live resulting in them having a poor future and children, even children, have rights in our current society.

 

It's important to note that the 'left' have had full control of the ball for the past 40 years and what we see today are the fruits of their labour.

The revolution is normally devoured by it's children. The feminists of the 80s/90s wanted equality, they won and have their equality. Now their children have nothing to fight against so they become the aggressors and are fighting what they call 'toxic masculinity', which doesn't exist.

We are seeing the same trend with gays, blacks, muslims etc. They are now the power hungry oppressors and their prey is white men.

 

Not true what has had full control for the past 70 years is not allowing things which are likely to give a rise to fascism. That is what the orientation was and that some are currently attempting to change.

 

The right is rising because the left has controlled the cultural landscape for decades and have failed miserably. Their egalitarian, socialist experiment has failed.

You're genuinely saying that the left hasn't controlled the narrative for the past 20-30 years?

 

Your gender on part defines who you are. Definitions are very limiting.

 

No boys should be playing with army men and cap guns.. but at about age 15 they need to learn the horrors of war from history and learn the responsibilities of actially handling a firearm, whether they ever handle one or not.

 

The quintessence of the human condition is that we have no real limitations, we rise above our physiology as much as our circumstances, everything enhances us.

Read the book Steel Beach, by John Varley if you want some idea of how sex roles may be seen in the far future.

 

Absolute tosh. The left was destroyed with Thatcherism so in reality was Democracy. What has been ongoing since you were born has been neoliberalism. This is an anti left Policy which has no cares about society and wants only to make money for ever less people. This system stopped working in 2008. What is going on now is a battle of the elites. You have the people called centrists who like to think they have some values and do not want society to be too divided. That I think is the face of the real one you are against. That is the one you call the left.

and then their is the other face of Corporate Power who are more than happy to live with fascism and do not care at all if it is a race to the bottom and people are brought back to a level of poverty I have never known never mind you. In the 30's the political elite were in charge. They were above Corporate Power. This time from what I hear they are not. It is Corporate power who hold that power. These are the people who clearly are afraid of the Left as the left are the only people who will work to draw society together again so that as has always been the case people working together make change. They use the old ploys of creating differences. They put a face on the problem. It may be a Muslim or a Mexican or even a Jew. They do not identify and sort out Global problems, rather they put a face on them....and they rouse the rabble to hate the other....and indeed to take on all the old fascist traits. Hence we can see the support of misogyny needed so that they can be the big man dominating and aggressive. We see the open dislike of gays and of course the dislike of the other whether they are Muslims or Jews or Black or Chinese. They hate facts so hate things like the work this thread is critical of. They claim there are no facts. Their way of working with them is emotional Nothing new here...just some people coming out of the closet. We are in what Hannah Arendt called 'The temporary alliance of the elite and the Mob.'

 

Read a book called the Bible and see how sex roles were designed to function.

 

Let's start here, how were the left destroyed by Thatcher? And how was democracy destroyed by Thatcher?

The left of the 70s & 80s were straight up Marxist (Like today's Labour Party), they destroyed themselves as there never has ever been a desire for it in the UK, we have always been fiscally Conservative. Thatcher was democratically elected 3 times so I struggle to see how she destroyed democracy?

 

I have, quite a bit really. A bronze age work of moralistic metaphors many of which have quite a bit of relevance even today. Fascinating.

 

Gather together all latte drinking, man bun, pajama wearing men for a big group hug. Afterwords we will all go over to the mall and get fitted for some mom jeans. Hey, Barack I see you, crouched down trying to hide in the middle, step up fella and lead the parade.

 

It's also a history book.

 

Fascism is also known as National Socialism. The red of the Nazi flag was the
Socialist element. Fascism believed the govt should CONTROL the means of
production. Communism believed govt should OWN the means of production.
Both Communist and Fascists employed labor camps, racist attacks, mass
murder and justified war. Both ideologies together started WWII - only Hitler
is seen as the bad one, though the USSR was far more cruel and conquered
as many nations.
It was mainstream, moderate governments - England, America, Canada,
Australia etc who fought Fascism and Communism. Putting moderate people
in the category of fascist or "alt right" whatever shows you belong to this
Communist ideology.

 

Be nice if we could go back to those moral metaphors.
Things like marital fidelity, loving your partner, treasuring
children, respecting authority, diligence in business,
honestly in relationships etc.. Since, particularly, the 1960's
these things have been openly mocked in Western society.

 

OK,

Can you give us some examples of this?

 

What, instances of the bible saying this? people living this? 1960's
rejecting this?
And yes, from the time of the Hebrew conquest of Israel in the late
Bronze Age, the bible can be shown to be essentially historical
(we can't vouch for the miracles of course, but the account of the
kings, cities, empires etc..)

 

Since traditional masculinity has faded, the number of children living with both parents has been reduced to less than half of what it used to be.

That’s not good.

 

Traditional masculinity invoked notions of fatherhood, defense of the family, defense of the nation,
responsibility, fidelity, caring, nurturing, putting one's life before the wife and children etc..
Notions of modern femininity invoke ideas of the importance of self, being pro-choice instead of
pro-life with unborn babies, seeing babies as a burden to the all-important self, expecting little
brown or black women to keep the generations going, hating traditions, hating authority, demanding
the big brother of govt to take care of them, acting carelessly and expecting society to protect them
and so on.

 

You will be glad to hear that Democrats are dressing their boys up as literal vaginas. With hats and everything.

Yet you still persist in crying?

 

You said:

"Be nice if we could go back to those moral metaphors.
Things like marital fidelity, loving your partner, treasuring
children, respecting authority, diligence in business,
honestly in relationships etc.. Since, particularly, the 1960's
these things have been openly mocked in Western society."

Some examples of the mocking, and please be careful of context while avoiding conflation with satire, etc.

As I understand it the historical accuracy of some parts of the Bible is better than most in regard to some things since the Prophets weren't known for beheading critics, but in other areas, it's a parable and says so. The problem is it doesn't always say so. The people it was written for were sometimes participants and additionally It was, after all, written during a time when being able to read meant you were more educated than most and generally had a reasonable modicum of good sense.

Be nice if we could rely upon that now

 

Since when is "achievement" male? Much less toxic?
And adventure? Risk?

God what idiots.