Putin OVERwhelmingly WINS ....

Deflection..........!

 

As Ronstar pointed out, committing suicide with your hands bound behind your back with handcuffs is a bit of a challenge but Russian opposition figures have mastered this feat!

 

Putin won, but I doubt it was honest.

Vladimir Putin suspected of colluding with Russians to win election

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2018/03/vladimir-putin-suspected-colluding-russians-win-election/

 

Putin's election motto was "Vote for Vlad, or else"!

 

The only time colluding with Russians is honest is when Democrats do it.

You see, when Democrats lose an election blame is better to give than receive.

 

What nations have they conquered? Be specific. What nations have we invaded and killed millions? We were even involved in taking down an elected president of ukraine, and there is evidence for that, from Nuland in a phone call to the american ambassador in Ukraine.

The only nation that I see conquering other nations, leaving them in a huge mess is the US. It seems we are what some of us accuse russia of being. The hypocrisy is astounding, and it yields great stupidity, of an american people conditioned by lies and propaganda. We have zero moral high ground to use to wag fingers at russia.

Russia nor putin are choir boys. But neither is our own gov't. And we are far worse offenders than russia could ever hope to be. That is a fact, with more than enough evidence to back it up.

Truth is, our military, national security state, industrial complex is the greatest evil on earth, propped up by lies, and stupid americans, and russia cannot hold a candle to it.

Our own elections cannot be monitored, because our two parties do not want that. Yet putin would have won, even without what some people accused them of doing.

Russia is no threat to the US or western europe. Trying to turn them into one is an exercise in stupidity in order to serve what Gen. Butler wrote, in War is a Racket. And anyone who thinks they are, are simply been victims of lies and propaganda. Too easily duped, and herded like livestock.

I could not care less about putin or russia. But I do care about my own nation, and the fact we are ruled over by people that are worse than putin, even on his worst day. Unlike our own leaders, putin is looking out for russia and her people, whereas our rulers have no intention of representing anyone but our elites, their business interests, and the military, post 1984 national security state industrial complex. Our own people will hardly serve in our military and we must bribe foreigners with citizenship in order to get a standing military that wages perpetual war for perpetual peace. And we think our problem and great threat is russia, putin? lol As the herd of non thinking livestock follows their pied piper off of the high cliffs.

Putin unlike some that came before him will not sell out the sovereignty of russia, and allow western elites, slave labor globalists, to gut out russia in their own self interests. If you want to know what happened to russia, and put putin into power, read Confessions of an Economic Hit Man and get yourself an education based in reality.

 

Great sermon....but a bit heavy on deflection, 'Russia is just an innocence bystander' and 'it's all our faultism'.
Still, I've heard that chorus before and I am not moved by it!

 

Never said russia is innocent. That would be stupid, and ignorance. Just as it is to create the strawman you created by accusing me of it.

Adding context is important, otherwise, you get utter nonsense, and tremendous hypocrisy.

If you have heard this chorus before, perhaps you need to objectively consider it?

 

The problem with that, of course, is that I fully understand the 'chorus' and their objectives & methods so it needs no further consideration. Hope that helps!

 

Clearly you do not, at least for a rational, objective mind which is capable of critical thinking. All that I see is just another mind conditioned by US and western propaganda, without the ability to discern propaganda when being fed it. Generally speaking, people with such minds always develop amnesia when our intel lies to us, and so they will completely trust the next lie that comes from them. If they provide no verifiable evidence, and ask you to just believe them, you should not. Or a critical thinker who has not developed amnesia will not accept it so easily, thoughtlessly.

I think the propagandists have seen a great success in molding your perception. But you did help them out. Takes two to tango as they say.

 

LOL....your verbal gymnastics are silly....they have no power to have an affect on me. The pompous are always the first to decry the lack of critical thinking in others....it's a book of which I'm familiar. It might be beneficial to you to save your talking points for those less aware!

 

And neither did I expect someone like yourself to begin to think critically and rationally, and coming out from an amnesia. I have found that being disconnected from reality is seldom changed, even if facts are presented. People reject facts all of the time in order to maintain a particular belief, created by not being able to recognize overt propaganda, and a hyper partisanship.

So, all that I do is to present some facts, which must be voiced, while expecting facts to be dismissed by non critical minds. One either thinks rationally, critically, or one does not. I have hardly ever witnessed a political partisan respond to inconvenient facts in a positive manner. In fact, it is so easy to predict their reactions. And it matters not which side they are on either. But then critical minds are not so easily partisan, for partisanship and critical minds are anathema to one another. A fact that is easily verifiable on political forums. But then, it takes a critical mind and some objectivity in order to discern that too. Which insures partisans are incapable of seeing even what should be obvious and self evident. Such a vicious circle you guys indulge in.

 

It is fascinating to see you come twerking to my posts again....hoping no doubt to secure some much needed recognition for yourself and to display once again what you obviously deem to be a superior moral position on pretty much everything. You seem, however, to have failed to grasp the reality of the fact that your sanctimonious comments inspire in me absolutely no sense of obligation.

 

Old retired men don't need such recognition. But some of us are experienced enough, have lived long enough to recognize when someone is trying to piss on their new trousers, while claiming it is just the rain. lol

So, I moved my leg and you missed my trousers. And I am too old to fall for the rain excuse. Unlike yourself, facts, evidence, guides perception. And I have taken the time in my life to actually read books written by past CIA fellows, by retired gov't officials and even the men who worked for NGOs, in order to connect with reality. And clearly you have never read such books, from credible men, who experienced things you never heard of. Giving us what MSM refuses to cover, to inform. IMO your reality is created by MSM, its propaganda, and its being a mouth piece for our CIA, to misinform, to even lie, in order to manufacture consent for what they have plans of doing. Operation Mockingbird never went away. We have seen hard evidence for that, from foreign journalists, and even from journalists here in america. Of course, MSM blacks it out, so that you will never be informed of the actual reality in which you live. And unless you read books, written on the subject, of course there is no knowledge of it. I love Booknotes on CSPAN. In fact, I use CSPAN quite a bit in order to educate myself in regards to reality. And at least, unlike MSM, you will get at least two sides to an issue, a story, in the interest of journalism, and adhering to journalistic standards, which is dead in MSM today, mostly. It is the exception rather than the rule in these times of propaganda, served up as news.

 

Well from what I can tell, by listening to the american hosted RT programs, Putin was a hands down winner for most russians actually like the man and think he is doing a great job. Of course the first knee jerk reaction to this is that these americans, like Ed Schultz and LaVelle, ( a conservative) are putin's puppets and yet how can they be when RT does not pick their guests nor have a thing to do with content covered by these americans. And RT never pre interviews their guests, and cut them if they do not say what the network agrees with.

So, the control over american hosts on RT does not exist, unlike in our own MSM's talking heads who are overtly extremely partisan and biased politically.

And this is why I view american hosted programs on RT, given RT nor russia controls these programs. I do not watch non american hosted programs on RT. So not sure what other hosts do on that network. They have ron paul on quite a bit, and of course if you do not like what paul has to say, the knee jerk reaction is he is putin's puppet. Or just your run of the mill McCarthyism knee jerk.

 

Old retired men don't need such recognition. But some of us are experienced enough, have lived long enough to recognize when someone is trying to piss on their new trousers, while claiming it is just the rain. lol So, I moved my leg and you missed my trousers....>>
Well sir, were it my intention to relieve myself on your person, your beloved trousers would not be the place that gets wet...so moving your leg would not have helped you escape the rain!

Unlike yourself, facts, evidence, guides perception.....And clearly you have never read such books, from credible men, who experienced things you never heard of....>>
You know nothing about me, you sanctimonious old coot. Reading the words of so-called "credible men" who support your preconceived notions of reality doesn't mean that the conclusions you or they reach are gospel. For every book penned by "credible men" who support your view of the world, I'm sure that there are an equal number to be found which conclude just the opposite. Books, after all, are designed to sell....and the more outrageous, the greater are the sales. There's no magic here!

 

And I have taken the time in my life to actually read books written by past CIA fellows, by retired gov't officials and even the men who worked for NGOs, in order to connect with reality.....>>
Well, allow me to be the first to offer you a cookie and to slap your needy back....and I will spread the good word far and wide that you 'actually read books'.....by "past CIA fellows" no less!

IMO your reality is created by MSM, its propaganda, and its being a mouth piece for our CIA, to misinform, to even lie, in order to manufacture consent for what they have plans of doing....>>
No kidding....have you considered complaining to the United Nations, Raul Castro or Sean Penn with these revelations. I am truly astounded that CNN would cater to propaganda....who would have thought of that?

 

I love Booknotes on CSPAN. In fact, I use CSPAN quite a bit in order to educate myself in regards to reality. And at least, unlike MSM, you will get at least two sides to an issue, a story, in the interest of journalism, and adhering to journalistic standards, which is dead in MSM today, mostly. It is the exception rather than the rule in these times of propaganda, served up as news....>>
Good luck with your forays into reality, and don't forget to look under you bed tonight....you never can tell when government evil-doers with ill intentions on their minds might attempt to cause you harm!

 

Naturalmente, just like Putin.

 

Well now we know why you like trump.

 

In democratic representative systems every election is about the status quo. Every voter, in that moment of privacy at the ballot, makes a choice and decides whether he wants more of the same or some change. Historians, political scientists, experts in international relations, sociologists, economists and other experts have their views, but I'm confident the bottom line is always personal income and job stability. If these are at risk the voter wants change, otherwise continuity.

Now then, with the Russian economy in a shambles, stagnant wages, rising unemployment, few prospects for growth, social spending curtailments, there's little cause for optimism, the average voter isn't doing better and does want change. Nonetheless, Putin was re-elected. Either Putin was the best choice or Russian voters are not that smart.

 

It'll be 6 more years of blue skies and clear sailing with the crooner and charmer at the helm!

 

Yes, this would be like crowing that Hillary Clinton 'won' in 2016 when we now know that she pretty much rigged the entire primaries process on the Dem side with the willing collusion of the corrupt DNC and faked up a dossier against Trump and used the corrupt upper level of the Dem allied FBI and CIA to promote it as factual in nature. Unlike Hillary Clinton, however, Putin was good enough to make his corrupt to the bone cheating . . . work. Putin stole the election. He did not win the election.

 

Yeah....but not for the potential targets like Russian defectors & opposition leaders.....they'll have to watch for the guys with the funny umbrellas ready to deliver fatal amounts of poison. It's how the Russian Fascists send a message!

 

Usually Communists got 18-20%. Why did they get only 13.5% now?