Question for Minimum Wage supporters

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  1. Ted

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    dear, if you protect a lion it is not free!!! !+1=2 The free lion survives on its own against all competition and does not make excuses. A free lion will kill a protected lion easily. A free economy will kill a protected economy easily. Do you understand now?
     
  2. danielpalos

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    based on weights and measures as inputs to fix those Standards.

    why is it relevant.

    i claim our minimum wage needs to compete with the cost of social services, as a de facto, poverty threshold.
     
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    free people created the concept of a free market because a free market serves free people justly.

    protecting our free economy with tariffs makes us more competitive than their unjust economies, because our 'free market capitalists' have to be more innovative like creating robots for cheap labor to stay profitable.

    using slave laborers for cheap labor does not serve free people, the fate of a world economy that accepts this is doomed as is presently being revealed.
     
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    People will still work even when the job doesn't provide enough to live on because it's better to starve tomorrow than it is today. That's why they accept the jobs today that don't pay a living wage. They don't take the job with the intent to supplement it with welfare but instead are forced to accept welfare as they get further and further behind financially.
     
  5. Ted

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    current minimum wage is far more than living wage so no social services are needed for healthy adults.
     
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    you misunderstand the concept; minimum wages have to keep rising faster than inflation to be effective. that is where supply side economics comes in with monetary policy, to keep inflation low.
     
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    Gates Jobs Brin Musk Bezos Zukerburg are greedy?? What could be more stupid?? See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
     
  8. Ted

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    we know the fix. Its capitalism. China just switched to it and eliminated 40% of all the poverty on earth. See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
     
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    the top 1% pay 40% of all federal income taxes when they should pay 1% how is that for a sacrifice??
     
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    the free market never says to itself that it must raise minimum wages to keep up with inflation, that is why government force is needed to mandate a minimum wage to mitigate the effects of outsourcing and cheap labor of illegal immigrants.

    government force will no longer have a place inside the free market with tariffs and a huge wall, only outside where it belongs.
     
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    china eliminated 40% of all poverty on earth by taking jobs away from the American middle class who were perceived as spoiled by the rich, and not entitled to a good standard of living.

    the rich have won with the best standard of living and quality of life in the world, by redistributing middle class wealth from richer western countries to poorer third world countries.
     
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    Yes you claim...but that claim has no substance behind it... it is arbitrary at best. I am not ideologically opposed to a minimum wage as long as someone can prove its benefit to society as a whole.
     
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    only in right wing fantasy. we have the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World.

    not Only can the wealthiest keep their multimillion dollar bonuses while on means tested corporate welfare,

    but, even the least wealthy can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.
     
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    That is silly. We need gov't interference to ensure a free market. Really?
    As I said, there in no real world market that is free. It's a textbook concept only.

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    They have 90% of all wealth and pay only 40% of the taxes. And somehow you feel they pay to much. LOL.
     
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    how can there be corporate welfare if 10,000 corporations go bankrupt each month and we have the highest corporate taxes in the world?
     
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    1) it's an income tax that we're talking about not a wealth tax. The top 1% pay 40%
    of all federal "income" tax when they should pay 1%. Why do the bottom 50% get to be free riders? Do you understand?
     
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    lousy capital management?

    anarcho-capitalism exists as a concept, for a reason.

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    because they benefit the most from alleged times of war. we should have real times of war tax rates, if we intend to be on a wartime footing, even with criminals, drug dealers, the poor, and terrorists.
     
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    anybody understand this embarrassing liberal's gibberish?
     
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    not fantastical enough for the right wing?
     
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    http://taxfoundation.org/article/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2015-update
    The top 1% have almost 20% of all income.
    The bottom 50% have 11.5% of all income. And when all other taxes are factored in, there isn't much left over. Do you have something against those not making much money?
     
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    It is a progressive tax rate for a reason.
    And it is based on the % of something and its cost.

    A $1 can of soup take a greater % of one's income making $10/hr than a person making $150/hr.
    And they both pay the same rate per $ spent on taxable goods. Thereby paying a greater % of their income to other type taxes.

    Do you understand?
    Basically the gov't is supporting(subsidizing) companies who don't pay a high wage.
    And lets those on fixed incomes keep a greater % of the fixed income.
     
  23. Ted

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    so you want progressive pricing in supermarkets too?

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    ?????do you have an example???
     
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    How in the heck did you come up with that? You don't understand?

    An example? What are food stamps, heating assistance, other welfare type programs for the poor doing?
     
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    dear, I asked if you wanted progressive pricing in supermarkets and govt. You forgot to answer?

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    they are bailouts for failed individuals and not a penny gets paid back - right?
     
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