Question for Minimum Wage supporters

I didn't forget. By asking how you got that stupid idea should be a clue. NO.

The welfare gets put into the economy. Almost 100% of it.

 

that has not been true of the US, since 1929.

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we don't have a free market and haven't, officially, since 1929.

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you simply don't have a clue or a Cause; What is Arbitrary about a minimum wage beating the equivalent cost of social services? a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is the current example.

 

why do you believe that? equality is a Social concept not a Capital concept.

it is like someone on the left saying, the Only stores should be dollar stores; for equality.

 

government interference in a free market is making rich capitalists pay a minimum wage when they would much rather have slaves who are well fed and housed.

protecting the free market from outside market forces which bring wages down through slave labor from outsourcing or illegal immigrants is not government interference, it is government protection of free people.

 

Gov't interference is interference.
Not a free market.

 

a free market that encourages or uses slave labor is not free.

high wages for the unskilled and uneducated are a requirement for any free market which serves free people.

 

You are others keep spewing this nonsense? Business does not care what the cost of labor might be because 100% of this cost is passed onto the consumer and reflected in prices. Think about this and you will realize the root problem in this issue are the price limits which the consumer will pay! Consider everything you buy during the year, how much it cost you, and if you are willing to pay 10% or 25% or 50% or 100% higher prices next year? If your HONEST answer is you prefer 2-3% higher prices each year, or lower, then business cannot arbitrarily and greatly increase the cost of labor and other business expenses. Now if you and the other 320 million Americans, plus all visitors to the US, plus all of those who are buying US exports, are willing to pay 50% more on everything next year, then business will surely give all workers a nice pay hike.

Your so-called and sensationalistic words like 'slave labor' are basically meaningless in any serious discussion about business costs. Do you actually think all of those car factories outside of the US, and electronic factories outside of the US, and just about every other business type you can name, are using 'slave labor'?? Do you believe all foreign nations, all foreign economies, even though their cost of living might be 25-50% that of doing business in the USA, should pay US wages?

Lastly, regarding illegal immigrants, and talking about farming in the US, you and others should thank your lucky stars that these people are willing to do hard work that Americans absolutely REFUSE to do! Even if the wages were increased 300% Americans will last until lunch time their first work day then will be dropping like dead flies!

 

60 million genuinely enslaved workers in China starved to death under libsocialism, now they are getting rich under a free market in which they can take or leave any job they want and this embarrassing liberal calls them slaves..because they are getting rich? Another 100% perfect example of why we say liberalism is based in pure, total and embarrassing ignorance.

 

all agree and there is no better way to get the high wages than a free market. China starved 60 million to death under libsocialism and now 60 million are getting rich thanks to free market wages. Seems simple but a liberal is a liberal because he lacks the IQ to understand how freedom works.

 

they pure beauty of freedom and capitalism is that they force a capitalist to pay the highest wage possible and produce the best product possible or go bankrupt. Very simple to understand even for a child, but not for a liberal. A liberal is a liberal out of pure ignorance, sadly.

 

This is false. Corporations have a responsibility to their share holders to work toward maximizing profit.

Like any raw material they buy, there is a market in labor of all kinds, regardless of education or capability. They will pay more for an employee's services only if competition dictates, just like they will pay more for paper or circuit boards only if competition dictates.

 

No, free market capitalism encourages corporations to pay as little as possible for anything they need - and, that includes employee hours.

 

the rich gave American jobs to countries who are willing to work for less, and increased their standard of living and quality of life at the expense of the American standard of living and quality of life.

the rich had no right to make that decision on behalf of the American people, as they don't when hiring illegal immigrants for slave labor over free Americans.

all of those higher costs for goods and services that are done without the use of slave labor would be afforded by free people who are paid higher wages.

 

free market capitalism serves free people, free people want higher wages not lower wages.

tariffs on trade and a wall for illegal immigrants protect free market capitalism from slave labor and lower wages.

 

you mean as little as possible but more than anyone else on the planet knowing that their employees must produce the best product in the world to survive in a capitalist system. Similarly, they want to produce the cheapest product as long as its the best in the world. Now do you understand why the Chinese workers are getting rich but were starving to death on libcommieism?.

 

and capitalism forces them to pay the highest wages possible or go bankrupt. 1+1=2. Do you understand that under freedom and capitalism people are free to take the best job and products in the entire world. 1+1=2. If you doubt it start a business with lower wages and lower product quality. See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

 

if true then every region state city county and individual would built a wall and have a tariff. Simple, but 1000 miles over the head of a liberal -right?

 

not the rich dear but consumers who want a lower price and higher standard of living. The rich would rather stay here and sell at a higher price and profit obviously. Do you understand???

 

No. They pay as little as possible to retain the skills they need.

And, your China argument changes nothing about free market capitalism, so i'm ignoring that. Comparisons to China are complex.

 

and the skills they need are the best in the world to produce the best product in the world needed just to survive.
If you doubt it start a business and try to hire the best skills in the world for less than a competitior will pay. NOw do you understand??

 

libcommieism 60 million starved to death, capitalism 60 million got rich. Whats complex????????

As a liberal have you you ever heard of East /West Germany or Cuba/ Florida. Everything is complex when you have the IQ of a liberal. See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance? Indeed, is any other conclusion possible? How??

 

just lousy social management of last millennium. now, socialism even has entire new cities, just laying around.

 

anybody speak gibberish liberalism???

 

like i said, just lousy social management of last millennium.

The transition to merely using capitalism for all of its worth, was economically commanded, in the seventies.

 

These barriers block us from selling our products to other countries.

That is a massive problem for us, because so much of what we do is dold abroad.

Yes, employees want higher wages and employers want to pay less.