Question for Obama Supporters

Why is your allegiance to Barack Obama instead of your fellow Americans who are suffering under his presidency?

It's very puzzling to me why Obama supporters refuse to acknowledge the dismal state of our economy... which is hurting the poor and middle class worse than anybody. People can't find good jobs. Record numbers of folks are losing their homes to foreclosure. The price of gasoline is the highest for the month of August than it's been in the history of the US. Payday loans, title loans, quick cash businesses with thru the roof interest rates are springing up on every corner because avg working Americans can no longer make ends meet without help.

Please explain why you want four more years of this kind of suffering for your fellow Americans when there's a possibility things might get better under a proven business leader like Mitt Romney. Even if you and your family have thrived during the last 4 years, surely you can't deny others haven't been so fortunate.

Do you really have tunnelvision so bad that you can block out all the suffering and still vote for Barack Obama?

I don't understand it. Especially Democrats who used to pride themselves on being the 'party of the people.' That's a joke now, isn't it? They live to serve the master.

 

As if we needed any proof:


August 22, 2012

Five Ways Obama Is Hurting the Middle Class



Economic challenges persist despite presidential claims to the contrary

BY: Bill McMorris, Washington Free Beacon

1. Prices are up: The average American family is spending an extra $40 per month on food under Obama, according to data from the Department of Agriculture. Gas prices have also skyrocketed since 2008, rising from $1.78 per gallon under President George W. Bush to $3.72 per gallon and climbing as Labor Day approaches.


2. Decreased savings: Americans are struggling to manage their day-to-day expenses, leading many to abandon the savings that have been an entryway to the middle class.


3. Record-high Handouts: Nearly half of all Americans—49.1 percent—received some form of government assistance in 2011, including unemployment, Medicaid, and welfare. Food stamp recipients jumped 45 percent over the past three years.


4. Wealth Has Vanished: Median income has plummeted since the start of the recession. Wages remain stagnant.


5. Joblessness: The root cause behind all of these issues is unemployment, which has remained above 8 percent for the past 42 months, despite Obama’s assurances.


Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/president...ways-obama-hurting-middle-class#ixzz24QYk29f2



Is this music to the ears of Obama supporters?

 

The purposely expanded looter classes...the Obama faithful.... are merely the command economy, collectivist left's useful idiots....who've incrementally indoctrinated them to relinquish not only their rights, liberty and economic freedom for the promise of government provided "security" and the "common good".....

but YOUR rights, liberty and economic freedom.

Though history is littered with their corpses, they...for covetous greed for another's fruit.... still refuse to acknowledge the perilous path they've chosen for themselves.

 

I'm absolutely SHOCKED to see that liberals are running away from this thread as fast as they can.

 

The worst the economy, the more people will be with their hands out, thus helping our party redistribute wealth, and expand our welfare and entitlement programs.

Also if they vote for Romney, they may feel guilty because the President is African American, and deserves one more term like Bush had.

 

I'd love to talk to you about, but as answers on my part would have to assume the premiss that I want or enjoy people suffering I can't take part. Try again without the petitio principii.

 

Because they believe it was Congress's fault (which it sorta kinda is because they have all the power), because they hate you guys so much, and because you didn't give them an option they could live with.

Pretty much the same for libertarians. If you had voted Ron Paul in we would have put him in the White House, but now...you guys get to see what happens when you keep picking status quo dicks. Instead of an easy road to the White House you'll have to fight it out again.

 

Translation: I don't mind.... however many people need to suffer matters not, I want Obama reelected.

 

I have to go to work in a minute here, but how did you get that that?

 

Answer lies in your signature smarty pants

 

Oh I acknowledge it, don't worry about that.

Where we differ is whom is to blame and how do we get out of it.

George "Trifecta" Bush is to blame for getting us here. The unAmerican (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bags in Congress are (mostly) to blame for keeping us here. Their stated goal is to make Obama a one term president and they'll be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed if they're gonna let anything Obama supports through.

 

Now I'm going to try to respond to you without vitriol, and without slander. I would be very appreciative if you would all try to do the same in responding. I understand that politics can be a VERY passionate issue, but I don't want to fall into a shouting match (or I suppose a CAPS LOCK match in this instance) as I feel that the lack of calm, rational debate has been a huge detriment to the country.

Initial acknowledgments: my support of Obama doesn't mean that I agree with everything he does. It simply means that I find him the better choice than the only existing viable alternative.

That's a very skewed question. The simple answer is that we disagree on what actions need to be taken to improve the country. I owe him no allegiance outside of the fact that he is the commander and chief of the country to which I owe allegiance.

I acknowledge the dismal state of the economy. Hell, I suffer from it same as anyone else. The statement here then boils down to two questions:

1) What do you believe was the cause of the economic collapse?

2) How do you think the problem is best remedied?

Now the simple answer to both of these questions is that there is no simple answer to these questions. I believe that the repeal of Glass-Steagall was a big mistake; we overestimated our ability to hedge the economy against risk, and build upon shaky fiscal policies. I believe that a combination of irresponsible spending and irresponsible tax policy helped in building the national debt, which helped the dollar collapse. I believe that to fix this we'll need to walk a tightrope. We need to make sure that the lower and middle class have more perceived disposable income which tends to inject directly into the economy as soon as it's received, a process which could be augmented through assistance reform, debt relief, minimum wage increases, a review of "internship" laws, and health-care availability. We need to make sure that we balance the budget, which will require a combination of tax reform, spending cuts, and likely a tax increase on the upper income earners.

As far as the payday loans, quick cash, etc, I think that part of that is due to irresponsible spending on the part of the recipient, part is due to predatory lending, and part is due to the proliferation of an impoverished people who are receiving an irresponsibly low income.

The easy answer is that we disagree on who would be more likely to bring improvement. You believe that Obama will do worse than Romney, I believe the converse. You believe that Obama will hurt the economy by increasing the size of government, I believe that Romney will hurt the economy by further deregulating big finance. We're both seeking the same goals from differing perspectives.

Once again, I feel you're poisoning the well here. Like I said before, we're all in the same situation, we just have different opinions on how to fix it.

Furthermore:

I think we're all doing each other a disservice by attacking a straw man of each other's arguments. As Americans we all live in a society structured by the guidance of the Constitution of the United States of America; a document created by men who were, above all else, paragons of the age of reason. These were men who truly believed that the reasoned thought of man would be capable of solving all the problems that mankind faces. To argue with each other with anything but the utmost rationality is to do them a grave disservice.

But that's just what I believe.

 

Yo PFCon. Fellow Americans who are truly suffering will get no relief from Romney/Ryan.

 

People who think Obama deserves a second term are in one of two groups. The first group are those who are voting for him simply because of his color and the second group are voting for him because the have some feeling of age-old guilt...now that I think of it there is also a third group, people who are just plain stupid and uninformed.

 

That either of the two parties winning this year is going to doing anything to improve the lives of Americans is the greatest absurdity of all.

No matter who wins, we lose.

 

Yup, that all prestigious last crowd of the stupid and uninformed has been updated by Rush in calling them 'morons'.

 

I see your all bold and raise you an all caps:

PEOPLE WHO THINK OBAMA DOESN'T DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE ARE IN ONE OF TWO GROUPS. THE FIRST GROUP ARE THOSE THAT ARE VOTING AGAINST HIM BECAUSE OF HIS COLOR AND THE SECOND GROUP ARE THOSE THAT ARE VOTING AGAINST HIM BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME FEELING OF OLD-AGE GUILT... NOW THAT I THINK OF IT THERE IS ALSO A THIRD GROUP, PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST PLAIN STUPID AND UNINFORMED

 

My support for Obama has nothing to do with the man. It has to do with his policies. We'd be in a lot better shape if Obama were king and could enact whatever he wanted to. Not saying that's what I want. But it's not his policies that are stalling the recovery. It's the republicans who block his policies that are doing that. Notice our growth improved at a much faster rate before 2010. Republican congress has slowed our recovery to a halt.

 

I would never in a thousand years vote a libertarian to the white house. Or any public office for that matter.

 

Oil is a global commodity. The president doesn't set the price. Republicans seem to feel that more drilling will lower the price - fat chance. Perhaps Obama should reduce gas taxes - thereby increasing the deficit, or maybe release the strategic reserve for a temporary price drop.
Either republican or democrat, blaming the president for oil prices is a red herring.

Yes, savings are important in a recession. They are also important when joblessness is high. Is the writer suggesting that Obama is to blame for a world wide recession? Is the writer actually attempting to blame Obama for the FACT that the average american family has over $117k in debt?

Amazing! the social safety net actually works! Who'd a thunk that in a recession, more people might need assistance. why its almost unamerican!

Wealth did vanish for the middle class when a few trillion dollars in home equity evaporated over night. Wages for the middle class have remained stagnant for a few decades now. It must be a coincidence that the wealth gap between rich americans and average americans has continually and rather dramatically grown over the past couple of decades.
All of this is of course Obama's fault.

I guess the president is responsible for unemployment, although its the CONGRESS that enacts legislation. funny, but I recall Obama urging congress to pass a jobs bill - while republicans viewed it as just another opportunity to say no. Forget the world wide recession. forget that some 4.5 million private sector jobs have been created in the last 36 months.

Yes actually. If this is the quality of the argument made by the right, then it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to blow these idiotic, simplistic and spurious arguments out of the water. Naturally there will be a number the conservatives that cannot grasp the simple concept of cause and effect.


How much does the Ryan budget increase the deficit?
How much does the Ryan budget increase unemployment?
How much does the Ryan budget decrease GDP?

 

I know liberals.

 

You don't even know how to be original...typical with an Obama lover!

 

Well, so far Obama-supporters have told us it's congress' fault, it's bush's fault, and Obama could do better if he was made king.

Not unexpected, but it still doesn't answer the question.

Obama is promising nothing new. In fact, he's promising nothing at all... he's only going after Romney. He's not mentioning suffering Americans because he doesn't want to call attention to the reality of his failed policies... and hopes his supporters won't either.

Seems to be working. Nobody on the left is concerned about 42 months of 8%+ unemp or the fact that more people than ever are having to rely on food stamps. Nobody seems to be worried about the Black community where unemp for young men is over 40%. Obama-supporters don't care about headlines like this:

American incomes declined more in the three-year expansion that started in June 2009 than during the longest recession since the Great Depression, according an analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data by Sentier Research LLC.

Must be because it hasn't affected them personally and they really don't care about that other Americans are suffering under Obama.

They only care about re-electing him for 4 more years.

It's very puzzling. I really wish you Obama-supporters could be more specific about why you're voting for him again when he's done nothing to help the avg American Joe. I think his race must play a large part in your decision. Just can't handle voting against a black man. It's the only reason that makes sense.

Obama has never been held accountable for anything and we can't expect that to change. However, Romney will be expected to help our economy... and if he doesn't, conservative voters will hold him personally accountable.

Something our liberal friends know absolutely nothing about.

 

LOL, says the poster whose avatar bashes both presidential candidates. Who will you be voting for, p? None of the above?

Not quite as bad as Obama-supporters... at least you admit you don't have a clue about helping Americans who are suffering. As long as you stay out of the way while the rest of elect a new president, it'll be fine.

 

Your sincere request SMW is but in vain!


For the Liberal ideology is all 'emotion based,' and not of real-world reasoning. The old "we mean well' and "our intentions are good." It is not a 'results-based' ideology!!