Race and Crime

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Conservative Democrat, Jul 25, 2020.

  1. notme

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    We're talking about intelligence, not a type school attendance that cost a fortune. A fortune the average black person has a very hard time being able to pay, since they did not inherit the nice head start their parents were able to have when being put on top of the foodchain by law. And we all know the intelligence gap is "magically" closing at a rapid place ever since the Arian and Jewish oppression legally stopped. You got nothing to dispute against it. The tables would be turned totally when white people were made to drink water from lead plumbing and work the fields and get 2nd class "but equal" schooling. And we heard plenty of mostly white people cheating on their test results to get in prestigious college's.
     
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    White people were able to get native children killed with impunity until the late 1970's. Their lives simply did not matter. You can see the same with Chauvin strangling an unarmed black man to death in the middle of the streets without a care in the world. It wasn't the first unarmed black man who got lynched to death in the streets. Chauvin only was the first person not getting away with it. We all know the discussions about it. LOADS of people in the US and online here supported Chauvin's right to have killed that unarmed black man even when he posed no danger to anybody at all.

    That's an echo of the white violent racist past that's still embedded in the norms / values / culture of the predominant white society = systemic racism.


    Stats point out that use and selling of drugs is done by white people at the same to even a slightly higher rate than black people.
    Yet black people are thrown behind bars 6 times more often. That too is part of that systemic racism that goes on in the US.
    I proved it even with 6 different sources in this thread.

    There is something flawed in the mind in the predominant white society to mistreat the black community like that.
    And it certainly has it's roots in the very openly racist past of that society. Not an ancient past. But a very recent past.
    A person like Biden and Trump personally grew up in an era where it's was legally perfectly fine to be like that.
     
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    You are stating the fact that YOU do not know exactly how they did their research and how it is sound.
    You got NO SOURCE that disputes their findings. :roflol:

    My sources stand. I proved systemic racism.
     
  4. Conservative Democrat

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    Blacks are better off in the United States than in any black run country in the world. We are not responsible for their problems. They would be lost without us. We would be better off without them. The crime rate would be much lower. The cost of our welfare system and criminal justice system would be much lower.
     
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    Systemic racism is the current alibi for black failure when there is no evidence of racial discrimination. The problem blacks cause is violent crime. I do not care what drugs they care to take.

    White racism does not cause black social pathology. Black social pathology causes white racism. We associate blacks with low intelligence, crime, and litters of illegitimate children that we are expected to support on welfare. The only blacks that are worth anything are in the fairly small minority of blacks who act white. They have internalized white values. They behave and perform as well as most whites. No where on earth is there a black run country with a low crime rate, a flourishing economy, and a well run government. No where in the United States is there a black majority city with a low crime rate. No where in the United States is there a black majority school where test scores are above average.

    As long as blacks emulated whites, black songs were about romantic love, even unrequited love, like the Temptation song "Just My Imagination." Contemporary black music is about raw, animal lust.
     
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    And why is it that you are not responsible? The generation of Biden who is currently governing the country, while his predecessor -and of the same generation- Trump might want to be voted back into office.... is the generation who personally benefitted their early college years under the racist Jim Crow laws causing the black people to be impoverished. So I fail to see how those people aren't responsible for personally picking the fruits of racist oppression. And it's not as if that generation isn't passing their accumulated wealth to the next generation.

    That's what slave owners used to use as an argument to have black people as slaves.

    Black people in the US would be a heck of a lot better off if them Arian and Jewish lot would have treated them as equals in the recent past, besides that Black people still suffer from systemic racism.
     
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    It's a scientific fact that systemic racism happens. It's a cause why black people get thrown in jail on disproportionate scale of +600%.
    I sourced that it's true. So there is nothing to deny how fastly racist and irrationel the predominantly white society in the US is.

    The problem is that plenty of white people think black lives do not matter, even when they are strangled to death in the open while posing no danger to anybody.
    We all know that white people have been getting away with it, with only 1 exception to show.

    I see you dropped that whole black people got a low IQ thing. It's a joke to science. We all know that the way the white people mistreated black people, making them be poor, causing them live in crappy neighborhoods, giving them 2nd class education, making their living far harsher then their own, is the reason why. It is the reason why since ending such practices legally "magically" made that IQ go up.

    I add: nowhere in the US are black people free from the systemic racism by white people. It's a fact shown that driving while black is a theme that is true, and happens across the US, where black people systematically are pulled over a heck of a lot more to see if they can be arrested to fill up the jails. While the fact is that chances are better that when pulling over a white person, that they end up with problems with the law.

    While I also add: This all reminds me of some white armed people chasing down an unarmed black guy on foot, boxing him in, and killing him to then claim it was out of self defense. All just because they assumed a black man must be guilty. No crap was giving about the black person's life by those white people. Them white people used racist slurs on the vid showing they killed the black guy. The same white people had made racist remarks on their cellphones. One of them used to be a cop. Loads of people, also on this forum, supported the idea that white people have this right to hunt down unarmed black people and killing them for being around in such a way. This is not a small group of white people who back this up, but a very large vocal group with Jim Crow like values that they learned from the generation who personally benefitted from it.
     
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    So, you're mad at Africans because the US has murdered African heads-of-State for refusing to give away all of their country's wealth to the US, and then the US continually interferes in the political, economic and social affairs of those countries, refuses to give any money for development, and then when China starts developing those countries economically, the US creates AFRICOM to stymie the economic development of those countries.

    Got it.

    So, you're mad because Africans don't score high enough on a test designed by Western Europeans based on Western European culture and given to people who don't get more than a 4th grade education because the US (and Britain) have continually interfered in the political, economic and social affairs of African countries resulting in those countries remaining destitute and unable to build schools for their children.

    Got it.

    When I was in Burkina Faso, the "school teacher" had one semester of college and came round the village twice a week. For half a day.

    Somehow, I don't think your IQ would be much higher had you been living there.

    Still, you're unable to explain why Africans come to the US and have higher median incomes than both Whites and American Blacks.

    Is there something in the water here? Fluoride maybe?
     
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    Their findings do not INCLUDE knowing about all of the drug crime and they do not claim to! And you said that "MAYBE" that's correct! So you admit that you MAY in fact agree with me! :roflol:
     
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    That's your opinion and it's not credible. Their research is credible.
    And so I proved systemic racism is true. Hurts your feels, no?
     
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    Sorry, but you've already said that "MAYBE" I'm correct! So you admit that you MAY in fact agree with me!
     
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    IQ tests were designed for whites. Nevertheless, Orientals average higher scores.
     
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    Did you actually find any evidence or are you still quoting opinion essays? I get it, feeling right is more important than having actual evidence.
     
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    Whites do not keep blacks poor.
     
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    I already posted 6 sourced where people did scientific research into the data, and proved that systemic racism is all over the US.
     
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    No one should be surprised that a race that is accurately associated with low intelligence, crime, and illegitimacy arouses feelings of hostility. The expression of those feelings has been suppressed, but the hostility remains. Blacks have had two generations to prove that they are intrinsically equal to whites. Instead, black rates of crime and illegitimacy have risen. Black academic performance has improved only slightly, despite expensive government spending programs like Head Start and No Child Left Behind.
     
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    YOU posted 6 opinions, not 6 sets of data like the FBI chart. That's what you've done all along, avoid the facts.
     
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    Sorry. But I need to cut out the racist slur here. I already pointed out that it's deffo nurture how this happens in the US. I sourced that.

    I sourced that white people do and sell more drugs and are the bigger criminals, then black people.
    I sourced that white people have a higher change of having infractions with the law when pulled over then black people.

    So to say that black people are more criminal is just a racist rant. It's scientifically not true.
    What is true is that the predominantly white police force arrests far more black people on drugs related charges and arrest them when they pull them over.

    You're eyeballing the results of systemic racism done by the predominantly white population that they arrest more black people and assume because they are more criminal. While it simply is that systemic racism within the white culture is the cause of the overrepresentation of black people in jail. We all agreed that racism is illegal, but it simply so that white people get away with it too.

    It's legit, cause it is proven fact that systemic racism exists on a wide scale nationwide.


    The "expensive government spending" is nowhere close to reversing centuries of white people who extremely violently oppressed the black community into severe poverty.

    Let it be clear that the white people were acting so violent when Ruby Bridges went to school, that she had to be protected by multiple bodyguards.
    She received her daily death threats. And exceptionally typical of the predominantly white population: nobody went to jail.
    Nobody went to jail over that, so you can eyeball statistics about who goes to jail and blatantly assume that white people aint violent.

    Nothing much changed since them days. Statistics show it.
    Charley Sheen can snif all the coke can, beat up his wife... and get ordered to do some rehab and anger management.
    That's where you eyeball who is in jail.
     
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    Uh... scientific research on data from the FBI done by among institutes an highly esteemed university.
    You're in no position to challenge the research with your little puny opinion.
     
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    Telling the truth should never be derided as racist.

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    U.S. Department of Justice Office of Justice Programs Bureau of Justice Statistics November 2011,

    Based on available data from 1980 to 2008—  Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000)

    https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
     

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    FBI data is real data, opinions are just opinions and have no real value. You're just hoping that repeating the same nonsense will eventually be data.

    It won't.
     
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    How do you define "systemic racism?" With your definition include examples of it.
     
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    I don't think that they do though. The group has been warming since the last ice age that's a hard thing to deny.

    The part that conservatives deny is the extent of man's role in it and the solution being government so they hold conservative viewpoint on global warming which isn't denial of science it's denial of non-conservative viewpoints.
    The left rejects science with regards to the biology of sex as well. They reject truths of social science regardless of relevance to race they also reject the warming science suggesting the only way to stop the globe from morning is by government action offensive the government or mankind ended the ice age.
     
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    It's just a racist stereo type, like Jews are thieves. Biggest thieve "just happens to be" Bernie Madoff.

    That data does not include unsolved cases. There are more unsolved cases then solved cases. And as for your 6 times higher. I just happens to be that white people do slightly more drugs / sell more drugs then black people, yet black people end up 6 times more often in jail. It's part of the ongoing systemic racism by cops who choose to police black people a heck of a lot more. I already sourced that.

    It goes hand in hand with driving while black. White people simply get more in trouble when pulled over, but cops end up pulling over black people all the time and so they end up arresting far more black people then white people.

    Cops also are simply more violent to black people. Even when no arrest or situations are written, the cops simply apply more violence against black people.

    You know who actually is statistically rather violent? Cops are. 40% of them are wife beaters, and the predominantly get away with that violent crime. And so we got a big group of predominantly violent white men who get away with violent crime. It starts to be a joke when people like you only eyeball who gets convicted, as if people who are not convicted didn't do a (violent) crime.
     
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    I already proved systemic racism is true in this threat. And go pick up a dictionary if you do not understand a word. Come on.
     

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