Race and the Modern GOP

We are talking about the Southern democrats of the early and mid 20th century. Apparently you have a hard fricking time getting the context of discussions. You were dead wrong. I showed you why. The southern democrats were huge on massive social welfare programs. They were the only part of the Roosevelt coalition that continued to give full support to the new deal in 38.

Now you are just ranting believing that your own bias is fact. Its not. Its just delusions.

 

Yet as Commander in Chief he still did it. That sets the tone for everyone else to follow.

Seeing as how Hoover loved using his powers against his personal and fictional enemies, and he was a racist, I'm doubting that very much.

 

So you quoting wikipedia isn't really credible. To that I say, most of the stuff passed was in spite of Nixon, and even doing something grumbling, isn't a good sign.
"I would also like to restate my position as it relates to busing. I am against busing as that term is commonly used in school desegregation cases. I have consistently opposed the busing of our Nation's schoolchildren to achieve a racial balance, and I am opposed to the busing of children simply for the sake of busing"
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=3098

"Scholars assessing Richard Nixon's contribution to the desegregation of Southern schools have often been unimpressed. His biographer Stephen Ambrose concedes that there was some White House contribution, but observes that "Nixon had to be hauled kicking and screaming into desegregation on a meaningful scale, and he did what he did not because it was right but because he had no choice." The political scientist Michael Genovese concurs, telling us that Nixon sought to "withdraw the federal government from its efforts at desegregation." A recent civil rights dictionary concludes that this was "the first successful presidential candidate to be opposed to civil rights enforcement," adding that "many of his tactics thwarted the furthering of school desegregation." The noted civil rights historian, William Chafe, meanwhile, contends that "Nixon repeatedly demonstrated his commitment to the politics of polarization"; "continued to embrace" southern evasions that "had been invalidated by the Supreme Court"; and used "the power of the presidency to delay, if not halt completely, federally imposed school desegregation." And Kevin O'Reilly, in an overview of presidential leadership on civil rights, finds the 37th president to have been essentially indistinguishable from the race-baiting George Wallace. Nixon resented the Alabamian, he reveals, because "he wanted the gutter all to himself." Considering a number of contenders, he concludes that "school desegregation emerged as the administration's most important and enduring (anti)civil rights crusade.""
http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/jph/summary/v019/19.4davies.html

 

And what's that in relationship to?

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"Scholars assessing Richard Nixon's contribution to the desegregation of Southern schools have often been unimpressed. His biographer Stephen Ambrose concedes that there was some White House contribution, but observes that "Nixon had to be hauled kicking and screaming into desegregation on a meaningful scale, and he did what he did not because it was right but because he had no choice." The political scientist Michael Genovese concurs, telling us that Nixon sought to "withdraw the federal government from its efforts at desegregation." A recent civil rights dictionary concludes that this was "the first successful presidential candidate to be opposed to civil rights enforcement," adding that "many of his tactics thwarted the furthering of school desegregation." The noted civil rights historian, William Chafe, meanwhile, contends that "Nixon repeatedly demonstrated his commitment to the politics of polarization"; "continued to embrace" southern evasions that "had been invalidated by the Supreme Court"; and used "the power of the presidency to delay, if not halt completely, federally imposed school desegregation." And Kevin O'Reilly, in an overview of presidential leadership on civil rights, finds the 37th president to have been essentially indistinguishable from the race-baiting George Wallace. Nixon resented the Alabamian, he reveals, because "he wanted the gutter all to himself." Considering a number of contenders, he concludes that "school desegregation emerged as the administration's most important and enduring (anti)civil rights crusade.""
http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/jph/summary/v019/19.4davies.html

 

Democrats are obsessed with race and if their track record of performance is any judge, they are as vicious now as they were 70 years ago. They are determined to keep poor blacks in non-performing union schools, keep uneducted blacks unemployed, insure that poor black children are raised in single-parent familes, and condemn poor blacks to a lifetime of poverty on welfare.

Has there been a president more racist the President Obama since President Roosevelt?

 

And yet I see conservatives all the time talk about race as well. Pretty weird how that works out.

Hoover, if you're talking about Teddy. If not, there's probably been a more racist president.

 

Oh my, you got handed your lunch on this and you are whining about me using Wiki? LOL!

MLK liked Nixon, so get over it, republicans aren't the racist bad guys you liberals think they are

 

A. Of course conservatives talk about race because of the liberal code words and dog whistles. If someone points out that President Obama was totally unprepared to be president, he's talking about race, right? If he says President Obama is a liar, he's talking about race again, isn't he? If he comments on President Obama's racism, he's talking about race again. Remember when Eric Holder said Americans were cowards about not wanting to talk about race? Then, according to the liberals, that's all people talk about.

What hypocritical crap. Liberals keep blacks down and then whine about racism. Typical Democrat tactics from FDR on. Presidents Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, and Bush were all less racist than President Obama and President Lyndon Johnson while a racist probably comes in a bit under President Obama.

 

"But in 2008, King's son, Martin Luther King III, said it was "disingenuous to imply that my father was a Republican. He never endorsed any presidential candidate, and there is certainly no evidence that he ever even voted for a Republican."

PolitiFact found that King scholars agree with King's son.

King, himself, reported in his autobiography that he wrote to one supporter in 1956 that, "In the past, I always voted the Democratic ticket." King, though, never publicly endorsed one particular party."
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/article/2014/jan/15/claims-about-mlk-often-go-astray/

And seeing as how Nixon went into office after Martin Luther King Jr. died, who knows what he would have thought about Nixon.

 

Ha Ha Ha ... that is your evidence. The opinion of liberal (*)(*)(*)(*)heads.... You are so rich. The thing is you actually believe that is factual evidence. Im sorry for you I really am. It is really hard for me to comprehend that a person can actually believe that others opinion in is fact. My mind simply doesn't work that way.

I'm so so so sorry for you.

 

What lengths you will go to trying to disparage the relationship that Nixon and MLK shared, even though there are letters between the two that say your left wing comments are full of crap

Get over it Kranes, republicans aren't the racist hateful people you were taught to hate

 

Do you have anything to back up that Dr. King liked Nixon.

 

Taxcutter says:
Hoover was the ultimate organization man. He didn't go to the bathroom without political support from above.
Hoover was FDR's man 100%. He did everything with FDR's blessing 100%. Truman and Ike found him useful, so they stayed with that policy. By time JFK came along, he was such an institution unto himself they couldn't fire him. There was a case - thin but there - that MLK, Jr. had Communist influences in the SCLC, so JFK (with RFK's recommendation) authorized the wiretaps.

Hoover was many things, but never a rogue. He was the President's boy all the way.

Not until after JFK's death and Hoover's retirement did it come out that Hoover ratted out a young JFK to FDR over Inge Arvad. The consummate politician, FDR didn't want to have the scion of his biggest campaign contributor tried for espionage, so he had Fleet Admiral King (COMINCH-CNO) send him as far from DC as possible. King spun his globe and picked Guadalcanal. The rest is history.

 

Yep,

http://nixonfoundation.org/2013/04/larry-elder-on-richard-nixon-and-mlk/

 

It is basically a one-sided story, I have never read in the King notes or essays of his friendship with Nixon. Mrs. King has never spoke of it and neither have any of Dr. King's children. Why is that?

Folks like Elder will go to any length to try and make the claim that Dr. King was a republican and maybe he was, but I doubt very seriously if he would be a member of today's republican party.

 

What part of "being anti busing is not even close to being anti desegregation" didn't sink in? It's the logical equivalent to claiming that someone who doesn't want to build a 2000 mile long hundred foot tall Chinese Wall on our Southern border is pro illegal immigration.

You posted a clear lie early in the thread. Several posts to this thread clearly demonstrate that with plain historical facts underlying, free of spin and bias. That you attempt to cling to the lie instead of just dropping it, by running off a googling and citing to a plainly biased quote-mining operation by a leftist publication, tells us all we need to know about your honesty and credibility here on this forum.

We already -know- that the pro Civil Rights legacies of the Nixon and Reagan administrations are extremely inconvenient to leftist race-carders in attempts to claim ongoing racism in the GOP or some Southern Strategy to attract racists. We already -know- that the left is extremely interested and biased in downplaying, denying or distorting Nixon's contributions to civil rights. Those of us who were alive then to see the truth already know these things full well. I posted the man's actual factual words... which you and the other race-baiters ignored entirely. Others posted the actual factual results of Nixon's efforts... which you of course ignored entirely. You answer with secondhand claims in a patently biased source. And who the f is Kevin O'Reilly? I have no clue. As far as Ambrose goes, you didn't bother to look at your cut paste very carefully did you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_E._Ambrose

Sure you want to hang your hat on this guy? I sure as hell wouldn't.

The left on this forum needs to grow up, learn not to post patent distortions and lies, and ESPECIALLY not repost and repost the same exact lies over and over once those lies have been irrevocably exposed as such.

The statement "Nixon was against desegregating the schools" is as clear an example of a lie as I've ever seen posted here, repeating it just makes it purposeful.

 

What MLK was not, is a hateful man like many of the democrats today, and I believe he was a man of great character who believed in the content of someone's heart instead of the color of his skin. Which is so unlike democrats today. As I previously mentioned, witnessing the liberals on this forum and elsewhere, trying so desperately to disparage republicans as racist hateful people must be revealing to young liberals who never knew the truth

Here ya go:

 

Your right not like the kind hard Republicans we see today.

Of course who didn't know that.

......and Republicans today.

All republicans aren't racist and hateful, but unfortunately most racist and hateful folks we see in politics today are republicans.

Thxs. It seems as though Dr. King could see some good in Richard Nixon, but we also see there was right wing republicans in his day. I think he did have admiration for Pres. Nixon, but I don't see where he saw him as one of his dearest friends and he definitely didn't claim himself to be a republican or democrat.

 

Probably for the same reason the right does it.

 

You continue to exemplify my point about liberal democrats falsely accusing republicans of being racists even when evidence of the opposite appears time and time again. Today, the democrat I see is all about the color of someone's skin, and not the content of someone's heart, which is pathetically sad

 

The GOP has a massive problem NOW with racial minorities of all backgrounds. The true patriots say it is because minorities are stupid. Minorities say it is because of GOP attitudes and policies. Whom to believe? Tough one. Patriots think it will be solved by 1) clicking their heels and say that the in future minorities will vote GOP because they will have some sort of Damascene conversion or 2) calling the minorities stupid more often and louder. They can scream all they want but the perception is that the GOP has historically - and purposefully - been unfriendly and perception is reality as MacLuhan said, eh?

 

So one letter that shows Dr. King changed some of his views about Tricky Dick means that Repubs aren't racist or hateful.

Read some of the threads started on this forum and you can say the same thing about today's republicans.

 

I never said all republicans weren't racist, and neither are all the democrats, but there are some in both. I also don't base my world view on this goofy ass forum where anonymity rules the day.

Nixon was an example, and if you want to get technical about it, it was the Kennedy's that had the FBI watching MLK. Black Americans have endured horrendous times in the United States for sure, but it has gotten so much better than it was 50 years ago, and will be better when Americans tell the race inflaming hustlers like Sharpton to sit down and shut the (*)(*)(*)(*) up. People like him are a disgrace to MLK

Democrats call anyone that didn't vote for Obama a racist, do you think that is fair?

 

Neither do I, but this forum is a small % of America.

No more so than the likes of Pat Robertson, John Hagee, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, etc., if you are going to clean house then clean house.

No I don't think that's fair, no more fair than Republicans claiming that black folks only voted for him because he is black.

 

The only questin I have for you is do you support the 1964 Civil Rights Act?