Rachel Levine Nominated as One of USA TODAY’s ‘Women of The Year’

Her work did not require physical prowess, so yes, it is fair. Please tell me you understand the difference.

 

Having your penis removed is cosmetic?

ROFLMAO!

 

oh believe me, i'm the last person you'll see downplaying societal misogyny. what i meant is that normalizing this sort of belief system adds further ammunition to the already bountiful array of tools of oppression that the patriarchy has. the idea that a boy who is stereotypically feminine or wants to do stereotypically feminine things must have gender dysphoria, must want to be a girl, has an important corollary: that girls who are masculine or want to do masculine things must want to be men. and if this were a broadly accepted idea (and it already is starting to become pretty common), that'd actually be great news for the patriarchy. like sure, it is good for those girls because it allows them to dodge the misogyny they would otherwise experience, and that's going to make more short-sighted men angry (though not to anywhere near the extent that they're angry at transwomen, you may notice). but the overall benefit to patriarchy would be much greater than the cost: it allows nonconformant women to be parceled out of womanhood entirely, less likely to cause a fuss, less likely to advocate against the oppression they otherwise might be more likely to advocate against. that helps secure the future of women's subjugation.

and the issue isn't that you as an individual person are espousing this idea, it's that i've seen it a number of times already and it really may become a genuine issue if it continues being spread. that's the only reason why any of us argue on here, the issue isn't that 1 person thinks something, it's that others think the same thing.

you know what, that's fair. the discourse on this site isn't particularly nuanced. but i think it's still worth pointing out.

 

Why do we care and how does it affect my life? How did Floyd’s death affect your life? How does saying the N word affect anyone’s life?

 

It’s surgery meant to achieve a certain look or feel. So yes, it’s cosmetic.

Do you libs remember all the times you made fun of Rudy G for putting on a wig and lipstick? At any moment, was there a thought, however brief, that with the wig and lipstick he became a woman?

 

Highlighted in red: But you did. You assumed a reason why I typed what I typed, but it isn't a good reason to bicker about.
The truth is that it's human to judge. You do it, I do it, we all do it. It's an instinct humans developed a long time ago to help survive. We just need to learn how to be fair about it. I suspect humans will always do it, to some degree.
But, just as everything else, we must evolve. It will happen, little by little.
I definitely see what you mean about some of the comments and attitudes. Change takes time, not that we just give up, but also that we need to have patience. I'll admit though, it's not easy......

 

Science now tells us that these people actually are Napoleon, and should be addressed as First Consul or Emperor.

 

The science has not been modified. See the link in #52. Look at the Reference section as well. The science seems pretty solid to me. Your smoking analogy is weak, IMO.

Homosexuality is not limited to humans, either:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hom...nimals, this has,long-term pair bonds between

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

"Homosexuality in animals is seen as controversial by social conservatives because it asserts the naturalness of homosexuality in humans, while others counter that it has no implications and is nonsensical to equate natural animal behaviors to morality."

 

That's not what I responding to. Your post about being able to have a child as defining a woman.

Nice tap dance.

 

For someone who wants people out of other peoples lives you guys sure bring this up a lot, maybe even obsess over it.

 

Well, he did have a hand in killing thousands of nursing home patients in Pennsylvania.

 

Speaking of being forced to accept something, check out the GayBC book for four year olds. A POC doesn’t seem to care for this book being available to his kid.

https://twitter.com/Yolo304741/status/1503941945609097220?

 

You might wish to consider that Mark likely entirely agrees with me then.

 

I got no farther than "belief system" before mentally sputtering. For pity's sake, how do my comments here relate to beliefs? And where, pray tell, did I claim that boys who play with dolls are homosexual or in need of gender reassignment? I merely pointed out that behavior as one possible factor. I went through what was called a "tomboy" phase myself, at around age 8, and I'm positively, entirely heterosexual. The discrimination I've experienced had nothing to do with my sexual preferences, only my gender.

You got carried away a bit here. Thanks for your information, however, please refrain from scolding those of us who understand, or at least try to understand. Your "lesson" was over the top.

 

Hmm.. so, do I get an apology now that your original attack has been disabused? Surely I won't hold my breath.

 

You didn't read my comment about heterosexual men who like to dress in drag. Look again.

 

Mark Twain was a known chauvinist, but he lived in more ignorant times. It seems that with some on this forum, no actual progress has been made.

 

LOL.. What progress would you have us make? Ignore science to invite your brand of fantasy? Likely, many folks see what you're selling as sophistry as well. You can, as an adult make a choice. No one is saying that you can't. What transgender folks don't understand is that their fantasy of their own choice doesn't change the basic biological description of them. In art, there's a concept of Pentimento. And even though the art was changed, the underlying truth of the work still remains. And as in the art, emerges or becomes seen. You don't have to look very hard at Rachel to know that Rachel used to be a man. It cannot be covered up so easily. And the "illusion" is just that to everyone that you demand call her a her and Rachel. Fine. That still doesn't change the underlying biology, and never will.

I honestly think that it is an insult to women to lump folks like Rachel into their world. It's like the college swimmer who obviously is still a man one piece notwithstanding. "She" looks like the male swimmer she used to be. She's just vastly more competitive and is likely going to prove that a man taking hormone blockers will ruin the record books for women. In much the same way the International Olympic committee banned east german women on hormone replacement therapy were in the 80s/90s.

That isn't being chauvinist, by the way, its just a recognition of what is. I apologize if this start reality offends you, but I did not create the reality.

 

Yes, he is. He'll always be male.

 

Apologize for what? That your post was poorly worded and came across as a limited understanding of what constitutes a biological woman?

 

1) You have it the wrong way around. These are simply men who could not adjust to their own homosexuality - for any one of a myriad of reasons.

2) Since they are already whole, any feeling of not being whole is just that .. a feeling not reflecting reality. It's giving your head voices permission to take over your life, and is always ALWAYS indicative of serious mental illness. Not feeling like a real person (whole, if you will) just as you are via nature, is quite pathological.

 

They're being taught that adulthood is about full immersion into sex and sexual urges.

 

I’m ok with this. It’s only the sports thing that I think is unfair

 

This is beyond ridiculous.

There is a very simple way to fix all of this and make the legal definition of a "Woman" something like "has ovaries" ...

We dont agree on much Jet, but i'm 100% with you on this one

 

No, I don't think taking estrogen and mutilating ones genitals means one is "not a man" anymore. Levine is still a man, albeit a sad, broken, cross-dressing version of one.