Rachel Maddow brings an important message about an alarming world trend...

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  1. mswan

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    Just another reason to despise her.
     
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    What is spreading throughout the world is not fascism, it's national-populism...the love of God, family, and country. It's a rejection of the corruption and depravity encouraged by the left-liberal culture of nihilism. Fortunately there are already established examples for countries like Italy - the most recent object of leftist hatred - to lead the way.

    https://rmx.news/hungary/italys-new...s-blueprint-says-italian-conservative-writer/
    Italy’s new government should follow Hungary’s blueprint, says Italian conservative writer.

    After the historic election victory of the Italian right, the country’s new government has some useful Hungarian blueprints it should follow, conservative writer and activist Francesco Giubilei told news and opinion portal Mandiner in an interview.


    “Of course, there are differences between the two countries, but obviously certain policies can serve as an example, such as family policy to change birth rates in a positive direction,” Giubilei said. “Orbán has also set up great conservative think tanks in Hungary which could be a good model,” he added.

    In recent years, Hungary has been seen as a role model for conservatives, including on immigration and cultural values; however, Italy may also be interested in Hungary’s successful pro-family policies, which have helped boost the country’s birth rate. Giorgia Meloni has described Italy’s plunging birth rate as a “demographic winter” in the past, and says she wants to offer free kindergarten places to all Italian mothers. Her close alliance with Orbán also means there is the potential for close information and policy exchange that could benefit Italy’s new government on a range of issues, especially since Meloni’s Brothers of Italy party lacks experience in governing at the federal level.

    Giubilei, who is the leader of the Nazione Future (Future Nation) conservative movement, told Mandiner that Giorgia Meloni’s election victory has massive implications outside Italy as well.

    “The result is very important, not only for Italy but also for the European Union. Italy ranks third in the EU in terms of its economy and population, and it will now have a conservative leadership after 10 years. This is a great opportunity to make changes in a conservative direction, on immigration, on family policy, on improving birth rates, and on the economy,” Giubilei said.



     
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    Who the **** listens to Rachel Maddow? LoL
     
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    Do you believe that the Brazilian leader will really attempt something like Trump had hoped to pull off, here? How strongly behind Bolsonaro, is the Brazilian legislature?
     
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    It's hard to believe that anyone would use Rachel Madcow as a credible source.

    "Sorry it's freezing but your burning fuel makes the air dirty!" EU priorities

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    '…As the Continent scrambles to avert a full-scale energy crisis, efforts to stay warm are set to drive up air pollution levels as people turn to coal, wood and even trash to heat their homes.'

    Gee, if only someone could have warned them that it wasn't smart to rely on Putin for critical energy supplies.

    '…Although the highly polluting fuel has earned pariah status as the EU looks to slash emissions, consumption is on the rise as a number of countries, including Austria and the Netherlands, either switch old coal-fired plants back on or boost existing capacity to save on gas.'

    'The problem is that the EU will soon be deprived of its biggest supplier: The bloc slapped sanctions on Russian coal in April, forbidding further imports starting August 10.'

    '…That means the 2 million tons of coal it is set to receive from Russia this month [JUL] will be the last such shipment'

    Gee, if only a friendly ally had a bunch of coal!
     
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    bolsonaro has a firm base in the brazilian army and the backing of american corporatopns, the traditional route for an "el supremo" in latin america
     
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    But, the windmills!
     
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    Nonsense.

    These are just politicians you don't like.
     
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    And ignore the facts that socialism is the bloodiest system of the bloody 20th century? No I’ll stick with the truth.
     
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    This reply of yours is an improvement, as far as readability-- you kept your meaningless drivel, to a minimum.

    I mean, if you are not going to say anything, you might as well do so, more briefly.
     
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    This 'national populism' isn't populism. For many years, populism was something propagated on the left.

    This so called national populism, a right wing phenomenon, though it's not Fascism, the kind with a capital F, it's what Biden has labeled 'semi-fascism', AKA 'neofascism'. It's Fascism light.

    Because, I spent many years advocating populism, and the kind of populism I advocated was pro-working man/woman, pro union, and anti-racist and anti-xenophobic. No brand of populism worthy of the populism ascription should be called populism if it's xenophobic, in my view. This is a latent thing. It's correct label is neofascism. Think of it as Fascism light.
     
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    Really? I observe that back in the day labor unions strongly opposed immigration for obvious reasons. Heck, Cesar Chavez organized vigilantes with baseball bats to beat back the wetbacks.
     
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    There are people who have such a narrow understanding of fascism they think it can come from only one side of the political spectrum. My experience is that it more often comes from the left than the right. That doesn't fit their narrative so they reject it out of hand.
     
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    The only problem there is that there is nothing fascist about the movement. People in a butt load of western countries have reached the conclusion, and one that doesn't require lot of thought that there governments no longer represent them or much of anything other than what ever other than a desperate desire to micromanage every one's life down to the last fine detail
    The left started far sooner, at the very beginning and for rhem it is now and always has been about the seizure, and exercise of political power. Even most of the people they call right wingers are no different than they are. In fact if one journeys back to the early thirties one discovers all the world's leftists are praising Mussolini and Hitler. That doesn't change until the Spanish Civil War when Stalin came down on a different side than Mussolini and Hitler. Then Stalin declared them
    reactionaries, not because their policies had changed but because they didagreed as to which set of totalitarian thugs would run Spain.
     
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    What an usually forthright endorsement of authoritarian governance. Refreshingly honest. BTW, my wife and I leave for Italy next Wed.
     
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    Example?
     
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    Viktor Orban is a racist authoritarian, the American right should stop elevating him

    Nobody should still pretend to be shocked that the Conservative Political Action Conference, an entity no longer “conservative” in any meaningful sense, would feature an appearance by an authoritarian leader like Viktor Orban. The Hungarian autocrat is the idol of the international far Right. He has repeatedly enjoyed the bootlicking attentions of Tucker Carlson on Fox News and indeed, CPAC chairman Matt Schlapp led his gang to celebrate Orban in Budapest earlier this year.

    What makes Orban so alluring to the American far rightists is his example as an illiberal politician who, unlike their idol former President Donald Trump, has managed to corrupt Hungarian democracy so thoroughly as to guarantee his own continuing rule.

    Trump attempted to steal the 2020 election by an assortment of tactics that included mob violence but failed (although he and his followers are poised to try again). Trump complains about the news media, while Orban seized control of media outlets in Hungary and ruthlessly suppressed his critics. Trump blurts out racist and antisemitic allusions, but Orban openly endorses bigotry against Jews, immigrants, gays and lesbians along with acts against the vulnerable targets of his Christian nationalist dogma — which echoes the fascist ideology that once ruled his homeland. Both of these pseudo-populists decry “globalism,” whatever that means (and what it means can change instantly according to political convenience).

    https://www.ocregister.com/2022/08/...the-american-right-should-stop-elevating-him/

    It's fascism disguised as the love of God, family, and country.
     
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    Nope, it's just love of God, family and country...things left-liberals mock and despise.
     
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    21stC Rightists are liberals/libertarians, and fans of small Govt.

    21stC Leftists are illiberal, don't like libertarianism, and are fans of big Govt.

    It's a no-brainer.
     
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    We should be so lucky and sorry your side is beginning to lose after eighty years of gross mismanagement and lying cover ups.
     
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    For too many Dems, the hate is coming from inside the house.

    BERKELEY HATEWATCH UPDATE: Some Berkeley Law “Jew Free Zone” Updates. “One point I didn’t mention in my previous post is that SJP’s statement seems part and parcel of a nationwide SJP campaign to specifically try to exclude Jews from ‘progressive spaces’ unless they will specifically denounce Israel’s existence. . . . Again, this is a political strategy, rather than simply isolated incidents.”

    'Why is higher education such a cesspit of hate?'
     
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    Either that or they lie dormant until their culture is attacked and their standard of living declines.

    You want a thought terminating cliche, try

    "Diversity is our strength"
     
  23. Patricio Da Silva

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    Not all slogans are TTCs.

    Not all clichés are 'thought terminating'

    A thought terminating cliché is one which is engineered to curtail critical thinking and kill the conversation.

    For example, I will post something about Trump, because he is a prominent figure, STILL.

    A typical republic's reply is 'TDS'.

    Nothing more.

    That reply was designed to kill the conversation, and curb critical thinking in the user.

    If I said, "Diversity is our strength' , not something a demagogue would say. It is something a democracy lover would say, the antithesis of what a demagogue would promote.

    Thought terminating clichés are the province of demagogues. They are buzz words designed to kill debate and critical thinking.

    Given that 'diversity is our strength' is the province of lovers of democracy, which is antithetical to the demagogue, one can hardly classify it as a thought-terminating cliché. It's just a slogan. Actually, it's a 'pithy aphorism'.

    Now, not all pithy aphorisms are true, one has to evaluate them on a case by case basis. This one qualifies. The only people who don't appreciate it are xenophobes, the kind of person who would be suckered by a demagogue.
     
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    Actually, Diversity is not a strength. It is in fact a weakness as it degrades social cohesion as has been shown by numerous studies.

    IT HAS BECOME increasingly popular to speak of racial and ethnic diversity as a civic strength. From multicultural festivals to pronouncements from political leaders, the message is the same: our differences make us stronger.

    But a massive new study, based on detailed interviews of nearly 30,000 people across America, has concluded just the opposite. Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam -- famous for "Bowling Alone," his 2000 book on declining civic engagement -- has found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings. The study, the largest ever on civic engagement in America, found that virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings.

    "The extent of the effect is shocking," says Scott Page, a University of Michigan political scientist.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/05/world/americas/05iht-diversity.1.6986248.html

    But the thought killing slogan "Diversity is our strength" has immunized you from actually recognizing this. You will continue to believe in the value of diversity rather than in science.
     
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    Guess you and Maddow forgot about all the election denying by the dems after the result of the 2016 election.:roflol:
     
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