Read Elizabeth Warren’s lips: No middle class tax hike to fund $20T Medicare for All

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  1. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    Can you provide a link or two or otherwise provide evidence for your claim of sabotage?
     
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    The most well known is the purposeful sabotage of the risk mitigation aspects of the marketplaces, which were designed to create premium stability in the volatile years of a market that was being stood up from scratch. This drove some insurers out of business (notably the co-ops discussed below) and others out of the market..

    One of the ways the ACA sought to inject competition into insurance markets was to seed new member-owned cooperative insurers. And it worked, at first: Lower premiums in CO-OP states. The GOP then defunded them in the fiscal cliff deal, ensuring dozens of states didn't get access to one and those co-ops that did exist had their access to capital cut off.

    State-level GOP leaders actively sought to discourage enrollment, most notably by hamstringing the navigator program. (The feds have since gotten into the act with massive cuts to open enrollment advertising.)

    The Trump administration forced insurers to load cost-sharing reductions into their premiums (and of course ended the individual mandate), taking a market that was achieving premium stability and imposing a deliberate and unnecessary 37% premium hike.

    And of course first states and now the feds have tried to undermine the marketplaces by siphoning off good risks via parallel shadow markets that play by different rules.

    This could go on and on. The GOP has been at this for years. All with the goal of undermining or destroying the markets.
     
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    It’s ok. Everyone knows you can’t actually provide a peer reviewed paper to rebut the one I gave you.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Everyone who knows how to research is in on the actual joke.
     
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    I know it must suck for you. To have reality shatter your ideology so badly. It’s ok. You’ll get over it. You’re going to love single payer. As I’ve shown you, and you unwittingly confirmed lol, it’s vastly superior to our current system
     
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    I wonder if you'll ever allow yourself to learn the significance of the post you've been mocking out of ignorance.

    Your laughter is to the pursuit of knowledge as is a cave man's laughter at the idea of a wheel.
     
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    It’s not my fault you are unable to provide a peer reviewed paper to rebut the one I gave you.

    my laughter is to the fact you posted a citation that refuted your own position. Is hilarious.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You've actually demonstrated to everyone that it is your fault. And you have no idea why.

    And it still remains true that that laughter is exactly the same as a cave man laughing at the idea of a wheel.
     
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    Lol, it’s my fault you can’t find a paper to rebut the one I gave you?



    No, just at your inability to rebut the paper I gave you. Lol
     
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    Find? No. Provide. Yes. Definitely your fault.

    The tools to understand your ignorance are right here:

    https://libguides.usc.edu/writingguide/citingsources

    Don't be ashamed. It's okay that you don't know how to research. But do realize it explains your exemplification of the Dunning Kruger effect perfectly.
     
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    You haven’t provided one, because you can’t find one. Lol.



    Notice you still can’t cite a paper to rebut the one I gave you? Because I did. So did everyone else.
     
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    I found quite a few. You'll have to think a bit harder to find the true reason. Here's a hint: it's entirely your fault.

    Once again, you can lead a horse to the water but you can't make it drink.
     
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    I acknowledge your total inability to provide a peer reviewed paper to rebut the one I gave you once again.
     
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    I'm not very concerned about receiving a research certification from someone that I have shown without a shadow of a doubt has no knowledge of the research process. I'm much more interested in studying the confidence you have in a document that you have no ability to confirm on your own. It's fascinating, really.

    Just what would it take for you to actually study an opinion that conflicts with your own? If you had to steel man your opponent's argument, could you do it?
     
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    I acknowledge your total inability to provide a peer reviewed paper to rebut the one I gave you once again
     
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    I found you a whole bunch of them. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were completely incapable of recognizing them for what they were. It's quite ironic because one of them was literally titled, "A critique of the World Health Organisation's evaluation of health system performance."

    But should I instead be thinking more cynically? Are you intentionally pushing a system you know to be false?
     
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    I acknowledge your total inability to provide a peer reviewed paper to rebut the one I gave you once again
     
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    I can't imagine how tough it must be going through life without the tools needed to form an individual opinion. I guess that's one reason why you support others making health care choices on your behalf.

    I suggest learning how to question yourself, before you question others. You do not appear to be very good at the latter.
     
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    I acknowledge your total inability to provide a peer reviewed paper to rebut the one I gave you once again
     
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