Recent Myth: “Israel does not attack; Israel retaliates”

So there you have it, forum readers. He has resorted to the classic Zionist last-stand tactic of poster-insulting, a VERY powerful debating tactic. Borat also claims that all of the following people are liars:

# Menachem Begin - ex-terrorist leader and later Prime Minister of Israel
# Yitzhak Rabin - Chief of Staff of the IDF and later Prime Minister of Israel
# General Yigal Allon - Hero of the Arab-Israeli war; acting Prime Minister of Israel, member of the Knesset, and government minister from the 10th through the 17th Governments
# General Moshe Dayan - patch-eyed hero of the 6-Day War
# Shlomo Ben-Ami - Israeli ex Minister of Foreign Affairs, leader of the negotiation team with the PLO on two occasions, and political strategist
# Mordecai Bentov - member of the wartime (1967) national government of Israel
# Levi Eshkol - Prime Minister of Israel during the June 1967 war; "The Man, The Leader, The Friend, The Builder"
# Tom Segev - respected Israel historian, archive researcher and political analyst
# Michael Oren – noted author and Israeli ambassador to the UN
# Klipkap - nemesis .... LOL .... of the Zionist Myth purveyors

Or is it just that he could not think of any better way to rebut the overwhelming barrage of facts in counter of his weak efforts?

 

You have so far failed to prove one single accusation.

You went into wartime radio silence regarding Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon when I showed that the PLO had not fired any rockets on northern Israel during the preceding 1 year ceasefire, which is the typical Zionist claim in justification of Israel’s slaughter of 20 000+ people. Disgusting!!!

You sank without trace in refuting my claim that in June 1967 Israel was the aggressor and that her Sabra generals and her politicians knew full well that Nasser would not attack. The closest you came to anything resembling a rebuttal was your reference to Operation Dawn; a pity that Israel’s ambassador to the UN is on record (provided to you) that there is no evidence that Nasser even knew of this plan. So “POOOOF” went that wobbly attempt.

When I showed you that by June 1967 Israel had already started its war against the Arabs by attacking Syria and sending aircraft to demolish the Syrian air force planes, well before June 1967, and that Egypt had a defence pact with Syria, so such attacks were an aggression towards her also, you made the lame response that Israel’s provocations of Syria were merely “insinuated” by me. I will now address your insinuation in a more factual and substantiated way by repeating facts that I have previously presented on this forum, but are conveniently ignored by the Zionist apologists:

Let us start with a reference provided by the NYT (click the blue for source):

Or is it Dayan, the historians and Dayan’s daughter who you will claim are liars this time, Borat?

 

The UN has cited Israel for violations hundreds of times throughout it's existence. ( Most times gaining more land)

Quit flogging a dead horse.

This is a blood feud .. both sides are guilty.

 

So this Dutch colonel, a UN observer in 1967 along Israel's borders, was also lying, distorting and revising, Borat? His 8mm movie is a fraud? I know that I am rubbing this into your wounds, but I really hate being called a liar, especially when no evidence (that stands up to scrutiny) is provided . The pertinent part starts at 1:06. At 4:45 old footage shows Britain's scathing denouncement of Israel's attack on Jordan .... which occurred LONG BEFORE June 1967, in fact on 13th November 1966. And if you are interested in hearing the man who debunked the Operation Dawn myth, Michael Oren features at 5:05.

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But to hear Mühren calling the Israel version of what happened along the Golan heights a "blatant lie", you have to go to the start of Part II, here: At 2:25 a piece with the reporter, Rami Tal, of the (in)famous interview with General Moshe Dayan, wherein he confirmed Colonel Múhren's Myth busting, can be found. Tal also blows apart the myth of "Israel does not attack; Israel only retaliates". At 4:20 there is a bitter benouncement of the Western media (icl Holland). But with his last statement, Múhren is proved wrong.



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So, Borat, tell me where Klipkap lied, distorted, omitted or revised history in the case of this famous MYTH?

 

Have you ever considered that this man who speaks your language has been paid by the Arabs?

Even if it is so... SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT? hmmmmmmmmmmm

More of the same coming? You really must have something against Israel as 99% of your posts are targeting Israel...together with Napier you can dance the horizontal Bossa Nova for what I care.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO what... is going to be my theme in responding to the resident of Spain.

So now you can elate yourself to your heart's content about your PYRRHIC VICTORY...

 

Yes, of course, innocent Israel, murderous anti-Semite everyone else, yes....snore

Really, the lengths people go to just to argue...

 

I know, but at times it is a Holy mission to shore up the Myths, without which Israel's carefully cultivated image comes tumbling down. Like here:

Debunked? I am still waiting for your proof, Borat.

If you want another example of a Zionist apologist who has claimed that I try to fiddle with the facts and who is being shown the error of his ways, take a look at the responses to this:

 

<<<Mod Edit: Personal Attack Removed>>>

Nasser kicked out the peacekeepers - it was a violation of the ceasefire agreement and thus an act of war. Nasser closed the Straits to the Israeli traffic - another violation of ceasefire and an act of war, Nasser massed hundreds of thousands of troops and weaponry on Israel's borders, all arab media declared the imminent demise of Israel in a matter of days. Are these all acts of peaceful leaders? The plan to invade Israel was hours from being launched when it was canceled due to american involvement. In other words Nasser was already waging a war against Israel. According to your logic Israel was supposed to be a sitting duck, surrounded by armies of enemies bent on wiping Israel off the map, drawing battle plans for the final battle, Israel was supposed to remain indefinitely isolated from the world by the closure of the Straits and Israel and doing absolutely nothing while its morale, economy and military structure were collapsing. You'd love that buddy, I am sure, too bad for your ilk Israel is tiny, not stupid.

Did Nasser want a victory without firing a bullet? Perhaps but guess what, Hitler would have preferred a victory without any resistance as well. Nevertheless everyone resisted. And Nasser wanting a victory is not a good enough reason for Israel granting him such victory.

Was Nasser bluffing? Perhaps he was but guess what, the idea of bluffing is that when your bluff is called - it's your own f*ing fault and you have no one to blame but yourself. Can you get it into your head, when you bluff and lose, it's your fault, not of those who call the bluff. Much like this thread, you bluffed hoping that your lies and omissions will be overlooked and you lost.

 

Right... the UN predominantly consisting of Arab theocracies and African dictatorships in cahoots with these arab theocracies are ganging up on Israel every day while doing absolutely nothing about genocides in Rwanda, Darfur etc. If you think anyone takes this UN cr*p seriously you are not as gifted as you think you are.

No sh*t? I bet the irony of your telling this to me (not to klip) in this lying ridiculously one-sided anti-Israel thread escapes you.

 

Completely irrelevant given that both American and Israeli intelligence knew Nasser did not want war; in addition to the fact that Israel also violated the cease-fire agreement.

 

Complete BS given that no Israeli ships passed the Straits in years, in addition to the fact that diplomatic efforts (supported by the USA and Nasser) were underway to solve the issue diplomatically.

 

Oh no, not this sh*t again. What part of "Operation Dawn" don't you understand, Goomba?

Operation Dawn was an Egyptian military operation planned to strike the Israeli Air Force, in the prelude to what would become the Six-Day War. The Egyptian attack plan would involve strategic bombing of major ports, the Negev Nuclear Research Center near Dimona, airfields and cities. Arab armies would then attack, effectively cutting Israel in half with an armoured thrust from northern Sinai via the Negev desert.Operation Dawn was called off after Nasser was informed by Russia that the US was aware of the plan

Oh and lest we forget that Nasser was already effectively waging a war against Israel which the violation of all articles of the ceasefire, the removal of the peacekeepers and the closure of the Straits were. And Israel waited for weeks for any meaningful diplomatic effort, Israel counter-attacked after all efforts to organize even an international flotilla (meaningless but symbolically important action) to break the blockade had completely failed and absolutely nothing else was in the works.

 

Let me try again and slowly this time (for the Islamofascists)

Egypt broke every important part of the ceasefire - Egypt kicked out the peacekeepers, closed international waterways to Israeli traffic thus blockading Israel, massed hundreds of thousands troops thousands of tanks and pieces of artillery on Israel's borders. Egypt planned a military operation to invade and destroy Israel which was cancelled in the last minute not due to the Egypt's change of heart but because the US got wind of their plan. The Egyptian government and official Egyptian media were proclaiming non-stop the imminent demise of the Jewish state (with very few survivors), so did the leaders and media of the rest of the arab world...

"Brothers, it is our duty to prepare for the final battle in Palestine." – Nasser, Palestine Day, 1967

"Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight . . . The mining of Sharm el Sheikh is a confrontation with Israel. Adopting this measure obligates us to be ready to embark on a general war with Israel." – Nasser, May 27, 1967

Israel on the other hand was under- siege, surrounded, blockaded, grossly outnumbered, the ceasefire had been shredded by Nasser. Israel had half a million hostile troops massed on it's border (Israel had the population of 2 million at the time), the reserves were called up for weeks, the economy was collapsing, there was absolutely no meaningful international effort to restore the status quo...One has to be a complete idiot (or an Islamofascist shill) to disagree that Israel had not just the right but responsibility to strike back at the Arab warmonger and aggressor.

I will grant you one thing - Nasser overplayed his hand, he started a war he could not win and wanted the enemy (Israel) to surrender without fighting back. The lesson to Islamofacists - don't overplay your hands, don't bluff (it will be called), and don't expect a victory whether you are prepared to fight or not - you won't get one.

 

Here is another "easy" one for you:

While you are lying as usual, Arab terrorists were attacking and murdering Jews daily in Palestine in the end of 1947 early 1948, it's not even relevant.

The invasion of newly born Israel by 7 arab armies was an act of unprovoked, illegal aggression. The clearly stated objective of the invasion was to wipe Israel off the map and drive the jews into the sea. They almost succeeded. It was not their territory, Egypt, Syria, Jordan and others had their own lands and populations to take care of. PALESTINE WAS NOT THEIR LAND, PALESTINIANS (JEWS AND ARABS) WERE NOT THEIR SUBJECTS, THEY HAD ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO INTERFERE AND INVADE PALESTINE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

It's truly ironic to watch how Islamofascist shills whine constantly about the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, the bombing of Libya and a possible military action against the Syrian dictator...yet they go to pains to justify any aggression against Israel by Arab dictatorships and theocracies "on humanitarian reasons" LOL

 

He couldn't understand that you refuse to understand that Michael Oren, the foremost Zionist author on the 1967 war and Israeli ambassador to the UN, was shown to you to have written that there is "no evidence that Nasser even knew of Amer's plan". He is amazed that you can still pretend not to know that. He is stunned that with this rererenced information, you still claim that it is proof that Nasser intended to attack. It is indeed remarkable.

 

Let me try again and slowly this time (for the Zio-trolls):

Both American and Israeli intelligence knew Nasser did not want war.

 

SO WHAT???????????????????????????????????????
How was your dish of pasta today?????????????????

 

Aye ... right enough .... conspicuous with your absence.

Now.... about the Torah and the Talmud deceit and lies ........ dare you reply?
Your god is waiting .........!

Highlander

 

What ceasefire are you referring to, Borat? Since you rarely post detail or references it is difficult to tell.

 

Do you mean that the Torah and Talmud are lying?

 

As you are so versed in the Talmud dogma ..... why are you asking?


Regards
Highlander


I am nat a hypocrite .... I understand injustice ..... and bull sh1T.

 

I had noodles thank you very much!

 

Right Goomba, that certainly explains "Operation Dawn", the historically undeniable Egyptian plan to invade and destroy Israel which got canceled in the last minute because the Americans got wind of it and it lost the element of surprise. Logic and common sense are not the strong suits of hate-blinded IslamoNazis I am afraid. The Egyptians break the ceasefire, blockade Israel, mass hundreds of thousands of troops on its border, their leaders declare that Israel has days left to live, their military is on the brink of executing battle plans to invade and destroy it but they don't want war. Are you for real?

That said yes, Nasser would have preferred a victory and Israeli surrender without a battle. He would have preferred to keep blockading, suffocating and isolating Israel until it collapses without war. Too bad he could not have it and his violations of the ceasefire (the 1956 ceasefire) were acts of war according to the ceasefire (the 1956 ceasefire) and all international norms.

Nasser got more than what he bargained for in the war he started...So have you in this debate

 

LOL, no, really KK, it's the dumbest argument even by your already low standards. Israel is hours away from being invaded by the Egyptian army led by its field-marshal Amer and you are splitting hairs whether Nasser (proclaiming that the time for battle to liberate Palestine from Jews has come daily) knew about it and declaring that Israel was "under no threat of attack". What part of "Israel would have been invaded by the Egyptian army if Americans did not prevent it" don't you understand?

Oh, and one more thing KK, you can take the whole concept of plausible deniability and stick it in you fat bottom. Who do you think it's fooling besides Goomba?

 

It is absurd to suggest that the UN is "predominantly" Arab theocracies. This is patent nonsense.

The whole point of my claim that it is a "blood feud" is precisely because of the one sidedness of your comments and those of others on the other side.

To choose one side and claim it is innocent while claiming the other is guilty in this blood feud only propagates the further killing of more innocents.

Both sides need to be condemned.