Religious Discrimination by the Republican State of Arizona?

No, they're happy to serve gay people. NONE of them have 'no gays allowed' policies.

 

And also to prevent businesses from deceiving the public? It seemed like you were saying that this is why the laws exist.

Sure, but did this ever happen to one single gay person before the laws were introduced?

 

When was that, like 50 years ago? I think the West has moved on!

 

How are the business owners "judging" the gays? Did they tell them that getting married to someone of the same sex is wrong? Or did they just say that they can't participate in a gay wedding?

Yeah I know, I used the word "critical" for the question, "are you critical of racists?" That part of my post was rather pointless in hindsight.

Do you not actually realise that the economy is made up of two sectors - the public sector and the private sector? There is no such sector known as "business open to the general public." Do you think that bakeries are in the PUBLIC sector? You are conflating private CLUBS with private BUSINESSES.

 

Are you actually saying that these bakeries have adopted 'no gays allowed' policies?

When have I ever done that? All I have done is defend discrimination against an event.

 

What about not being served for being gay?

 

Exactly, so what is the point of these laws?

 

No one is saying that the state should discriminate. We are talking about private businesses aren't we? Why are you mentioning the state?

Yes, these businesses are absolutely discriminating, but not on the basis of sexual orientation! Now you also said that they "ridicule." Do you stand by that? Based on the below definition, you may want to reconsider.

Ridicule:
speech or action intended to cause contemptuous laughter at a person or thing. (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/ridicule)

Would you say that these business owners have engaged in ridicule based on the above definition?

Absolutely, but why does this mean that private businesses have to provide services to all weddings?

What denomination?

 

I was just surprised that a Republican state had such a liberal city under it. I would've thought that a Republican state would have strong influences of conservative politics which flowed down into its cities and a Democrat state would have strong influences of liberal politics which flowed down into its cities.

 

Are you saying that this golf course uses no public services? And are you under the impression that bakeries are not private businesses already?

 

Okay, an American who is against same sex marriage. That should fly, right? Again, this is AFTER a religious person wins their case in the exact same court on the basis of free exercise of religion.

In your scenario, the Muslim won. Then you asked what should happen to the neo-Nazi. So I assumed that you meant that the neo-Nazi's case happened AFTER the Muslim's victory. If this IS in fact your scenario, then it must surely be a win for the Nazi otherwise I can't see how it is anything other than unconstitutional. But again, you're the lawyer out of the two of us!

 

Some State constitutions (like California) define marriage as just between a man and a woman. So a case can be made that the State constitution will support the idea of discriminating against a same sex couple who wanted a wedding cake. Arizona does not have that prohibition in its constitution so the bakery has no legal basis to discriminate.

 

no, they serve gay people until they know they are gay people, when they ask for a cake with two male names or two female names is when they learn they are gay, that is when the discrimination starts

once they found out there were gay, do you still think they would sell them 100 cookies for the wedding?

 

the law is to make sure it doesn't, if no one breaks the law going forward then that is a good thing

 

some are tying too have 'no gays allowed' policies and you seem to support them in that

 

Not 50. Even back in the 1980s, late 80s.
And we've moved forward. Not on.
It takes a couple of generations to wipe out bigotry. People don't change beliefs, so beliefs die off.

 

Absolutely. I guess you missed that whole wedding cake thing or photography thing.

 

Pvt business that applies for a state business license. When applying for and receiving said business license, one agrees to abide by state laws.

See answer above.
Not being mean here, but curious. How do you not know this stuff already? Very young, naive, or other?

LCMS

 

Public services such as?
They are not a for profit public business.

OMG on bakery pvt business. They must apply for, accept and operated under a business license issued by the state. And must follow the business laws of said state.

 

Because I already know that "in most places, discrimination based on sexual orientation is a crime." So why would I need to "address" it?

 

In this context, using God given artistic, creative skills to design something that will be used in an event - an event which represents something that someone opposes. Of course, we are talking about bakers here, but do you consider wedding photographers to be participating? I admit that the same definition of participating does not apply to the photographer and indeed, nor does freedom of speech and expression.

They don't NEED to be there.

How are they trying to "control the consumer?"

Their cake, which expresses their God given artistic, creative skills.

Morally speaking, why would you say that these business owners should agree to provide services to these weddings? Why is it wrong that they refuse?

 

Water and electricity. Don't you think a private club might use a little bit of water and electricity?

Sure, but they're still a private business aren't they?

 

And how would a state be discriminating on those contracts if it it had protections for business owners who do not want to participate in same sex weddings?

You seem to think that because "a marriage, is a marriage, is a marriage. According to the state" that this justifies the anti-discrimination laws being used against wedding services businesses. Is this right?

Who were you discriminatory against? And were you discriminatory BECAUSE of your involvement with the LCMS church?

None of these business owners refused service based on sexual orientation.

 

Exactly, so what is the point of these laws?

 

So even though they are happy to serve gay people, they are tying to adopt 'no gays allowed' policies? Surely you can't be serious!