Reparations for slavery

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  1. monkrules

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    But, they're not. All they do cause problems and, of course, whine.
     
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    Meh, I don't think so. I think a well placed "f8ck you" is more appropriate for you misguided white folk who try to deflect and downplay the slavery issue and ignore all the bullsht former slaves had to deal with AFTER the Civil War.
     
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    Stereotype threat does not contribute to the 15 point IQ gap between whites and blacks. The 1995 study on stereotype threat done by Steele showed eliminating stereo threat reduced the gap to 15 IQ points. Additionally, the study wasn't replicable in follow up studies. Black Americans have IQ as high or higher than blacks anywhere else in the world.
     
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    Not just blacks. British whites thought they were superior to everyone that wasn't born in Britain. This is an anti-Irish cartoon.

    Cause they ran out of Irish slaves. Its called attempted genocide. There was a tine island of Irish people around 500,000. With in 10 years, the population dropped to 200,000 because of all the slaves taken. For Africans, there was an entire continent and the people were already caught and being sold by other Africans. Made it easier to refill stocks. So yeah, of course there would be more African slaves.

    2 different issues here. First, if you claim to be suffering from ancestors being slaves, how can you ignore the part of your lineage that was a slave owner. 30% of freed blacks were slave owners. 1% of free whites were slave owners. So please, enlighten me again on how slim of a chance you would have to be part of the lineage that owned slaves just cause you are black? I, as being a full blooded white person, have a better chance of my ancestry not owning any slaves than any black person with ancestry of slavery. Even if your ancestor was born out of the rape of a slave, you are still a product of your family owning slaves. Isnt reparations all about whites paying for the sins of their fathers? Well, black slaves born from rape by their slave owning fathers are still as guilty.

    So whites didn't experience the same thing? Irish were beaten and raped more than blacks. More whites were killed by the kkk than blacks. Blacks had way more respect for themselves during jim crow than what they have now. Now there are many blacks who are demanding segregation again. Not to mention Asians were treated poorly as well and had many places and instances of "jim crow" esq laws placed on them, where do you think China Town came from?

    Again, this was not a black only issue. Asians were poor too. Not all blacks were slaves. Not all whites were slave owners. And blacks really haven't improved considerably, they are still the poorest racial group in America and have gotten worse under Obama. Its not a racial thing.
    [video]https://youtu.be/faolY5_hnIc[/video]

    All that you mentioned has harmed the black community? So why was there less crime and better standards of living and dress before the CRA? Black women like Beyoncé straightening their hair is not because of white pressure. Her and Jay Z are huge Afrocentric, and she can do what she wants. Most black women would follow her example over anything a white woman would say. As for the N-word, it was started by the Spanish as "negro", Spanish for black, and morphed into todays word meaning ignorant. Only reason the word persists is because of blacks. Everything you really mentioned is covered in the video I posted above. Those blacks who don't play victim all the time usually succeed. Its a personal choice.

    You just said it increased the wealth of America. The point is moot if that increase was insignificant. Many people have said it was the cornerstone of the economy, especially in the south. If that is the case, then why aren't the countries with slaves still 3rd world countries? How about the truth being that America really hasn't had its industrial market destroyed by wars like Europe and Africa and that's why America became so wealthy. Even in the civil war, the fighting was kept mostly to the south and fields away from production areas in the north. Sherman burned the south on his march to the sea, and sanctioned by the north after the war, is there any wonder why the south is a little behind the north on production jobs?

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    Blacks who don't fall victim to the dems and their race baiting victim peddlers are often successful.
     
  5. Wildjoker5

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    Again, blacks where not the only ones that had segregation laws against them, but other races have surely thrived after they were enslaved and persecuted.
     
  6. micfranklin

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    Of course not. Some of them had the pleasure of being thrown in internment camps, forbidden from entering the country on race alone or were just flat out exterminated. Not helped out by the KKK and various race-related violence carried out by them. Seems like treating minorities like sht is a recurring theme here.
     
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    Like Germans and Japs? Both very successful groups of individuals today.

    Are you talking about Jews? They aren't a race. Can you be more specific?

    Did you go to the natives here? The ones that died naturally from not having an immunity to the european diseases?
    Like when white republicans were lynched by the kkk? Seems like they survived quite well.
    Seems like the only group of people not to succeed are those who continuously play the victim card. You can hear it in white trailer parks "day took er jobs". You can hear it in the inner cities "we cant get work or succeed because of the 'man'". You hear it on the poorest of the reservations, "if not for the white man...". You hear it from women "PARTIARCHY!!!" Victims after victims play this card and give up on life because its never their fault for their failures, its someone elses fault.
     
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    I think we do. So, if you need reparations, contact Barack Obama and get your reparations with interest. Tell him the Resister said so. He'll cut you a check.
     
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    some are not, just like some whites are not, some blacks are racists, just like some whites are racists, ect...
     
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    Well given the very sad conditions that most of Africa happen to be in to this very day and the descendants of those slaves are now full citizens of the most powerful nation on earth it might be consider a favor for their descendants.
     
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    Hmmmm, lets see, after 60 years of the war on poverty, the US spent over $1,000,000,000,000 on welfare and other social justice issues to people who were never slaves in the first place. Many of who may have been decedents of slave owners. Guess those reparations have been paid in full and really haven't done that well.
     
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    The dependent class has more reasons to take your money than you have to use it. Really, you don't mind spending your money on the dependent class, do you? Some will claim they should get everything down to your destiny. Why not?
     
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    LOL I had have friends who spend time in the peace corp helping those who are now not a hundred years ago living in Africa and the result is bad water and run away diseases up to HIV and at times little food.

    Compared to the now conditions in that area of the world the conditions of the former slaves after the civil war even in the south was far far superior.
     
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    And Italians.

    You can be ethnically Jewish but I was talking about Asians, specifically the Chinese. You've heard of the Chinese Exclusion Act, right? Or the Anti-Coolie Act, just to name a couple.

    Yep, among all the wars and removals. But these diseases from Europe, how do you think they got here?

    The KKK attacked pretty much everyone who wasn't conforming to their white society, but blacks were among the worst victims and Reconstruction was just awful.

    This isn't even bringing up all the various race riots and racial violence that have taken place throughout all of the country's history.

    While I do get that blaming everyone else all the time is played out, keep in mind that maybe some people are just bad.
     
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    Yeah, forgot about them.

    Yeah, and they are thriving quite nicely as well.

    Same way diseases get anywhere? Its not like the Europeans didn't encounter new diseases coming over. Guess maybe the survival of the fittest played out just as evolutionist expected.

    Yeah, just like the restrictions placed on Germany after WWI played a big part of WWII,

    Like everywhere else. Again, blacks seem to be the only group that cant break the glass ceiling and seem to even be sinking further down the rabbit hole.

    Yeah, but are you saying 25% or more of the black community "are just bad"?
     
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    It's a favor, once we ignore that colonization from Europe is part of the reason Africa was/is pretty screwed up. That whole Berlin Conference thing made a huge mess of things, just to put that out there.

    Hmmmm yes, I suppose living in a society where your skin color was practically a brand of shame and you were basically a 3rd rate citizen (despite the Constitution saying otherwise) is "superior" to other things.
     
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    More like Europeans gave as good as they got.

    As did exceedingly charismatic leadership in the form of one Adolf Hitler.

    Nope. What I was saying is that maybe, just maybe, some people in society just don't like black people or minorities in general.
     
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    Yes, just as some people in society don't like men, whites, cisgender, Asians, Hispanic, women, etc.
     
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    "....and ignore all the bullsht former slaves had to deal with AFTER the Civil War."

    Exactly right! No one would have a problem paying reparations to ANY "former slave." As long as he can PROVE HE had been a slave.

    But the BLM whiners, and others, demanding money when THEY, themselves, were never enslaved, is another story. Let them EARN their own money (for a change).

    They cry that Americans all benefited from the labor of slaves? Well, guess what, SO did the BLM crowd, and all other blacks, who are now holding their hands out and demanding more freebies. In fact, blacks benefitted much more, because they also received zillions of dollars in welfare, section 8, AIDC, government cheese, Affirmative Action, Financial Aid, Preferences in nearly everything. American Blacks are the wealthiest and best educated blacks in the world. And, they live in a country which has bent over backwards to give them a ton of preferences: to get a good education, qualify for housing, assure equality in hiring. Nothng is perfect, but a LOT has been done. Sadly,they appreciate none of it.

    I agree that blacks have had an incredibly tough history in this country, but they are not alone. Many peoples around the world have suffered -- that seems to be what the world does best: make life miserable for people. Hell, the jews were enslaved, gassed in showers, or shot, then thrown in ovens, or mass graves. And they've endured their mistreatment for OVER 2000 YEARS. And the racism and hatred of jews continues to this day, in many places. Yet, they have found ways to overcome their horrible treatment, and rose to educate themselves, establish businesses, etc. They worked incredibly hard, and found success. When blacks decide to do the same, they will also have success. But only THEY can make that choice, and only they can do the required studying and necessary work. As long as they depend on someone else to keep giving them free stuff, they'll never get off their dead @sses and get on the road to freedom and success. I know you're going to say that I, and others, like to "blame the VICTIM," but, really, HOW LONG will blacks 'choose' to remain victims? (And, the "blame the victim" excuse is SO old and tired that it's long been thread-bare).

    The anger and frustration you see coming from a lot of posters, in large part, results from the fact that the "demands," and the whining, just never, ever, ends. It seems to have become part of the DNA of black folks. There are a lot of white apologists who agree with you, and they make endless excuses for black behavior (criminal, gang-banger culture - lack of values - theft is okay - rioting at the drop of a hat, etc), but limitless excuses will only prolong the problems. The solutions now lie with blacks, themselves. They can fix things, if they are up to doing the work required.
     
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    You're right.

    I was wrong to use the words, "they're," and, "they," which implied that ALL blacks behave in the same way, and believe the same things. I should have said "many" (imo) of them...
     
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    how about this, we give a reward to all decedents of Americans that helped free the slaves and decedents of slaves we give a reparation

    this comes to $1000.00 for every American.... it will be a stimulus :) win\win for everyone regardless of race

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    Blacks constitute app 40% the 2.4 Million in Jail in this country. (2010)
    IOW, 1 Million people
    IOW, Cost of Blacks in Prison alone Per Year: $30,000,000,000/$30 Billion/30k each.
    (above here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Cost)

    Cost of Blacks disproportionately on Welfare and other programs? Tens of Billion$ more. Might be another $30 bil, or More.
    70% of Black babies born out of wedlock.
    Cost of Blacks making under 50k but not on welfare? Tens of Billion$ more.
    (the bottom 47%/under 50k, pay No income taxes, even tho they pay SS/Medi, but do not pay for Military, roads, govt, etc. Some have Neg inc tax with EITC)

    "$4.2 Billion" in one shot, would probably save the country approximately/approaching 20x that $4 Billion you make a big deal about.. PER YEAR.

    Slavery is a good example of 'Original Sin' (if there ever was such a thing), as Other Americans will be paying the costs of that population for 1000 years.
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    So are you paying for my trip over to Africa and my full services, if it would save you fine folks that much?
     
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    Man, did my numbers make a JOKE of what you thought was an impressive "$4.2 Billion"!

    You clearly have no idea of economics, or even well known ball-park public costs.
    And Yes, I and the rest of the non-black portion of the country would Gleefully pay for your one way trip once they saw the [unrefuted] numbers I posted.
    Which amounts to app $16 each for the 270 Mil non-Blacks.. to Save what is probably/easily $100 Billion+ PER YEAR.
    Whoa Yeah!
    Your Cruise ship try, so Lame/Backfiring it was unbelievable. Some people have no concept of Numbers.
    Keep posting but..
    Gameover.
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    Good. Then you can hop your white ass back to Europe, since you're likely more or less American than I am. Make sure my house is vacuumed while I pack up:cool:

    Just remember that part of that non-black population includes those Latino immigrants, documented and undocumented that many of you seem to hate.

    BTW there's not 270 million blacks in this country, as I pointed out.
     

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