Repub voter suppression rears it's ugly head once again.

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  1. Texan

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    Of course I know the difference. The government has nothing to do with private sales. Why should they lord over private sales? That should be up to the parties involved. Personally, I won't sell a gun to anybody I don't know or can't produce proof of a background check. (CHL, military ID, law enforcement or judicial credentials, etc......) Should I fill out government paperwork to buy my kid another saxophone on Craigslist?
     
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    Funny, but you never said whether anyone was actually prosecuted or convicted.In fact, the finding was that there was no wrongdoing.

    And, yes, this is a classic, and astounding blatant voter caging operation.
     
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    Then why shouldn’t the govt. support voting without the hassle of ID voter cards. Registration, fine. They are both amendment protected rights. As a matter of fact instead of just one gun rights amendment, there are three voting rights amendments. After registration, the presumption is, the voter is innocent of any wrong doing. So why should we be hassled at the polls for ID cards ?
     
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    Voting is not a basic human right in the Constitution. It's specifically reserved for CITIZENS of the United States of America who are 18 and over. There is nothing wrong with requiring the ID to vote. Let's make all IDs free for CITIZENS to eliminate any doubt.
     
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    Native Americans are most affected by the ID law since most natives live on a reservation which doesn't have street addresses a requirement to get an I.D.
     
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    Voting is a right that defines our democracy. Without voting rights, there would be no democracy. ...it would be an anarchy or dictatorship and your 2 Nd amendment would or could have no validity anymore. Without free elections, you run the risk of losing the 2A. We can vote people out of office if they don't support all our rights. You don’t vote anyone out of office in a dictatorship.

    Because voting rights are only reserved for citizens, it’s more important they not be encumbered by voter ID cards. Being free of charge is not the issue. It’s being fairly distributed. Georgia can’t even do that without IDs. They deny voting rights to people who make mistakes spelling on their registration. You have no requirements to spell anything in private sales of firearms. That gives all people, access to firearms .
     
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    The vote is not fairly distributed when illegals aliens from all over the world have the same access to voting and no right to vote. "Sanctuary cities" are giving our country away. Democrats are even arguing about identifying illegals in the upcoming census. They want the illegals to count for vote distribution among the states, and that's on top of ignoring illegals voting.
     
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    Black voters seem to have trouble filling out paperwork in six southern states controlled by the GOP. Maybe it's just silly to see it's a little surprising that Georgia's Secretary of Sate (election umpire) is also running for governor. But, since the guy is a Republican, it probably doesn't matter. Some people would consider that corruption. I bet you don't.
     
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    No one has better access to the amount of illegal voting then the US imvestigory agencies. They and the individual state voting authorities have agreed for years. There is no problem. It’s in your head because you follow an insane person who keeps repeating lies. And he has no proof. He has never produced it.
     
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    "Most people" by definition means that a LOT of people don't.

    And since the "problem" doesn't actually exist...and voting is a Constitutional right.

    You're Depriving a LOT of people of their Constitutional right to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist
     
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    Why? Because voting is one of the most "sacred" rights we have as individuals. Look how critical that right is to people emerging from tyranny in other parts of the world.

    Our right to determine our own government and destiny is part of the concrete that forms the foundation of this country. That concrete was mixed by using the blood of the people who gave everything to help build it.

    Why treat voting as some flippant event? My vote should count. Your vote should count. Everyone's vote should count. People died to ensure we had that right. I don't want those deaths to be ignored because someone cheated. I don't want those deaths ignored because someone who isn't allowed to vote does so anyway.

    Everyone goes through life having to register for something. They have to get Social Security cards, Health Insurance cards, they have to file taxes.

    Why is it that this critical right, voting, and the process to register, represents some insurmountable life challenge when a process is put in place to insure that everyone's votes counts, and is not cancelled out by someone who doesn't care?

    People in emerging democracies have been reported to have been shot or blown up, just for registering to vote, and that rather significant "obstacle" didn't stop others from continued to do so anyway.
     
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    It would be nice if you're taking the trouble to reply, if you actually attempted to answer the question.

    People get ID cards, and Social Security cards, and Obamacare, and somehow manage to keep their records straight.

    But try to protect one of the most sacred rights we have as citizens, and suddenly keeping records straight represents an insurmountable life challenge.

    Why is that?
     
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    So if you are honest enough and have nothing to hide you really shouldn't have any objections with regards to a voter ID.There are only benefits.It prevents fraud,it prevents people from voting multiple times and above all stops Russians from meddling in the sacred U.S election.
     
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    I answered your question in a previous post. You just didn't like the answer. Too bad.
     
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    as long as absentee ballots have the same requirements, one should not have to provide more ID if they show up in person then voting anonymously via the mail

    ex-felons should be able to vote and in most states can legally vote, once a person has done their time, they should be able to vote

    I do not think people arrested for say drug abuse like Rush should be denied the right to vote

    "Rush Limbaugh Arrested on Prescription Drug Charges"


    https://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/28/us/28ap-rush.html
     
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    It may come as a shock to you, but I only read post's directed to me. I don't eagerly read through every post of yours.

    So, my point remains, and your lack of answer remains.
     
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    Go away.
     
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    I don't think it's a good idea to add the evidence Progressives want to take away my rights.

    Don't you think there is enough evidence of that already? Aren't you worried how undecided voters will view that?
     
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    There is no evidence that voter id laws would have prevented any of the tiny number of real voter fraud cases that have been brought in the last few years.

    But the GOP has pushed this issue as a front for a widespread and very well organized campaign to supress votes in many states. Georgia is only one of them.

    This case is baltant voter caging.

    And since one of the candidates is the secretary of state and is clearly trying to manipulate the system he is supposed to be impartial manager of, the conflict of interest is blatant as well.

    There is no excuse or rationalization for this. But this thread is full of obvious racism.
     
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    I agree we should mandate that all absentee ballots be notarized by a notary public, how do we know some random person did not use a non-voters information to vote?

    someone could work for a place were people are unable to function so they steal their identities and vote, old folks homes being an example, hospice care another, mental institutions, easy identities to pick to vote absentee for them

    why do republicans not demand notary public requirements for absentee ballots?
     
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    We don't know. That is why absentee ballots are generally not counted until after manual voting is counted. While they are eventually counted, historically they haven't mattered.

    Today, more people are voting absentee, and with tight races, scans of the signatures on the envelopes used to mail them in become important in order to match signatures on the voting registration rolls. This provides the basis to certify to the best level possible they are accurate, and were cast by the registered voter themselves.

    Demanding absentee ballots be notarized would be an unfair burden and add significant costs. Notary's are not on every street corner. It is for this reason Republicans would never suggest a policy that would suppress the vote in the way you are suggesting.

    Didn't think that one through, did you?
     
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    Why suppress voting by making all these requirements ?
    That’s like suppressing the right to own a gun by imposing too many regulations. Your problem is, you’re following a bigot who fears illegals voting......and they DONT VOTE. You start out by believing a lie.
    Being afraid you’ll loose your white apartheid.
    Listen to your BS....”.people have been reported to have been blown up “
    Alex Jones BS.
    You give sane people a view to what it’s like to be in a coma.
     
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    When you write, "you're following a bigot", you just vaporize anything relevant you think you are posting.
     
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    Another example of right wing political correctness gone insane.
     
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    LW fail logic: "Picture ID prevents only ~1 fraud" and "Picture ID suppresses millions." Has never computed. Still doesn't. Every time they repeat it, a logic angel loses its wings.

    And to repeat, this is all about the timeworn Democrat tactic of overwhelming polls by busing in long chains of buses filled with questionable "voters" and hoping poll workers are either corrupt Democrats too or harried enough to skip steps. This is how they "innocently" get people voting multiple times in multiple polling places, and they have been doing it since the invention of the automobile and even before. It's a near perfect crime because there is no way to police it, and even if 1:10,000 who do it are caught doing it, it is difficult to prove in court.

    THAT'S the TRUTH about Democrat resistance to the rational ID laws that almost every other country has. They know this full well, know it is the truth, but in their typically dishonest fashion will never admit it. In the net age, voters are seeing through this and so many other rotten Democrat schemes and scams. Republicans do it too in some areas, even more reason to have ID, but it is by and large a Democrat tactic.
     
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