Republicans are wrong. Trump has no ‘right’ to cause this chaos.

This has been debunked. Four pinocchios the story was rated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...anis-fantasy-parade-false-voter-fraud-claims/

The 'tabulator machines' do not support Trump's allegation 'dems stole the election'. It's just an anomaly. Sure, find out what happened,(if anything happened) but that's not an 'investigation into dems stealing the election'. The distinction is important.

Irregularities occur on every election, and never before in history did the sitting president accuse the opponents of cheating,

Thus far, there has been nothing presented which rises to a level to predicate an investigation in to dems cheating.

NOTHING. I know y'all have been looking real hard, 21 or so lawsuits filed, all of them duds, it's just ain't there.

 

To allude that WWII was unjust, especially after Pearl Harbor, is a cheap shot. Same goes for Korea. Conservatives backed Viet Nam until Nixon, but by then it was obvious to everyone it was wrong. Nixon also sabotaged LBJ's efforts to end the war, just so he could get reelected.

But the real debacle was Iraq, and it was a republican who promulgated that one, not to mention he and Colin Powell hoodwinked congress.

After 9/11, Afghanistan had bipartisan support.

So, you are peddling half truths which are not truths at all.

 

Your link requires me to subscribe to the Washington Post.

 

FDR backed the Japanese into a corner. He knew what he was doing.

 

It's so gratifying to be able read an occasional post in the Forum (like yours above) that reflects the perspicacity and education of an author whose knowledge of history exceeds the scope of what most Americans are exposed to in 'Wikipedia'. Bravo!

 

Thanks for the compliment. Since we have collectively allowed the perps to get away with their bungling, they keep coming back. Who is responsible for Cuomo being in a position to dump covid infected people on nursing homes? Cuomo, who has always been an idiot? Or the people who didn't finger him for crashing the global economy with his 1999 policy?

 

That is not refutation of my rebuttal.

 

If you have more than one browser, you should be able to access it, WaPo allows several views before the nag screen kicks in. Clear your cookies, that might help.

NYT and WaPo are the most sourced journals in the world.

If you were a serious debater, at the very minimum, you would subscribe to those, they are cheap online only.

I subscribe to NYT, WaPo, and WSJ and a couple of others.

 

I have done all that. I have used up my time with wapo. I have tried to find what you are talking about elsewhere and could find nothing. That should tell you something.

 

It tells me you don't know how to search. My first attempt produced this:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-dominion-voting-systems-fraud-claims/

But......

I'll give you part of the WaPo article (though Snopes is much more detailed):

“Now, what happened on election night? He [Trump] was ahead by 800,000 votes in Pennsylvania. Impossible to catch up, unless you’re cheating, and same thing in Michigan, Wisconsin. He was ahead in all those states by numbers that, in prior times — and I can show this to you — networks would have called for him. But they didn’t call it for him.”

— Giuliani, on Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures,” Nov. 15

In all three states, absentee and early votes could not be counted until election night because of rules set by GOP-controlled legislatures. So in-person votes, which leaned Republican, were reported first. Just in Pennsylvania, more than 1.4 million votes still needed to be counted after midnight. Because these votes were overwhelmingly for Biden, Trump’s lead was wiped out as the hours ticked by.



The opposite nearly happened in Arizona. On election night, Biden had a lead of more than 130,000 votes, with 750,000 to be counted. But in this case, the remaining votes leaned Republican, so by the time all of the votes were counted, Biden’s lead had fallen to just 10,000.

“In Michigan, of course, we have a couple of extraordinary witnesses, one of whom was a Democrat who worked for 30 years for the city of Detroit, who will explain that she started getting trained in how to cheat in September of 2020.”

— Giuliani, on Fox Business’s “Lou Dobbs Tonight,” Nov. 12

The next day, Wayne County Circuit Judge Timothy Kenny denied a request to stop canvassing and certification of the county’s election results, saying the witnesses’ “interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible.” These were the “extraordinary witnesses” claimed by Giuliani.

“They will also testify to 100,000 ballots being shipped in about 4:00 in the morning, after they had stopped counting. And they got into a panic because they thought that they had made up the lead, and Trump was still ahead by 120,000 votes. So they brought these ballots in, in cars that had out-of — in trucks that had out-of-state license plates.

— Giuliani, on Fox Business’s “Lou Dobbs Tonight,” Nov. 12

“We have evidence that 100,000 ballots were brought in at 4:30 in the morning and counted.”

— Giuliani, on Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures,” Nov. 15

This claim stems from a single affidavit that was filed by an alleged witness, Melissa Carone, a contract IT worker for Dominion. But Carone, who made a number of voter-fraud claims, does not even leap to the conclusions that Giuliani makes.

In her affidavit, Carone simply says that food was brought in on two vans, but “I never saw any food coming out of the vans, coincidentally it was announced on the news that Michigan had found over 100,000 more ballots — not even two hours after the last van left.” She mentions nothing about out-of-state license plates or ballots being counted.

Kenny on Nov. 13 concluded that Carone’s “allegations are simply not credible.” Yet two days later, Giuliani repeated the claim, as if nothing had transpired in court to undermine it.

The Pinocchio Test
There’s no law that says you cannot lie on television. So Giuliani has made the rounds of TV shows, making outrageous claims that fall apart instantly. He even repeats claims that have been dismissed as not credible in court proceedings — and after the federal government has announced that no voting systems were breached. He earns Four Pinocchios.

 

Snopes is not worth the paper it is printed on. It is strictly judgement. I want factual reporting.

 

They document their sources. so...
Feel free to refute anything snopes published.

But, here are more
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...dence-dominion-voting-systems-caused-widespr/
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/trump-tweets-conspiracy-theory-about-deleted-votes/

 

Where do they say in any of those that they actually did an investigation?

 

I gave you several fact checking sites that refute the premise, with sources in the content.

Don't be ignorant, okay?

 

I don't see whether they did any more than just take the word of other people.

Don't be insulting, okay?

 

Trump and Sanders is much alike, except Trump was more successful within the party he infiltrated.

 

Both sides' supporters seem very authoritarian to me.

 

Your entire thread is a "CON JOB". Why do you have to belittle people that hold different political beliefs than you? Do you really hate everyone that believes in small government over bull blown government control? get a grip!

 

If one supports Democrats or Republicans then they are by default authoritarian. Trump and Sanders are exaggerations of that.

 

I wouldn't say by default, but partisanship is more authoritarian than being independent. On that I would agree.

 

I didn't levy that accusation towards those who voted for Reagan or Bush.

Just those who backed Trump, because he is con man.

I can't help if if y'all fell for his con job. Next time, find a man who has core beliefs. Trump has none.

No one believes in 'full government control'. That's simplistic nonsense.

As for 'small government' I'll remember that the next time a republican tries to force a probe up womens' vaginas without their doctor's consent. And I'll not even get into voter suppression and gerrymandering.

 

what "con" job? He followed through on many of his proposals which is more than I can say for many other presidents. Winning isn't enough for you? you have to belittle people for different opinions. That sounds like something ISIS would do.

SAD!

 

Well, the conned don't know they are conned, until they wake up. He hasn't won ****, 230,000 dead, America is in shambles; he's gutted the State Dept, emasclated the CDC, NIH, EPA, auctioned of lands to polluters, hate crimes are way up, people are at each other's throats, the world thought we had lost our way ( until Biden was elected ) Trump is one of the few presidents, who, when voted out of office, people were dancing in the streets, all over the world. All the bells were ringing in Paris, the kind of reaction a nations does when a dictator was ousted.

He acts and talks like an idiot, trolls his opposition daily, can't even utter a compound sentence, cites lies, spreads conspiracy theories. He undermines democracy by accusing dems of cheating ( no evidence) he has abused his power and violated his oath of office, and bilked the US Taxpayer out of $16 million, not that you care, and, obviously, you don't.

He's a sociopath, who is someone who has

· An excessive need for admiration.

· An Inability to refrain from bragging.

· A Lack of understanding of others’ feelings.

· A complete Lack of empathy for others.

· been Preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty.

WTFU. But, that would be impossible, I could list a number of evil **** this man has done, and you won't give a damn.



The Bloviating Blowhard's Bullshit Brigade Bombs in a Blizzard of BS, just as it began. The world celebrates.

 

Y'all are fond of take credit when things go right, but blame others when they don't.

Sorry, the buck stops with the President. But with Trump, the buck stops anywhere but with the president.

1929 happened after Coolidge and on Hoover's watch, both republicans.

There has been no precedent to establish how long a recovery should be from such a major crash as the great depression, and that of 2008, and after repubs drove us into a colossal ditch, when dems came in to clean up their mess, republicans bitched that dems didn't drive us out of the ditch fast enough they drove us into in the first place.

I've already explained the conflicts. Bush got us into Iraq, We won WWII with a Dem in office, Korea was a standoff. No republican has won a war since. Both Viet Nam and Iraq both were bipartisan. Nixon sabotaged LBJ's effort to end the war, causing to last another 3 years, where many lives were lost. But, apparently, cheap shots become you. ISIS hasn't been eliminated, they will reemerge when we leave, either as ISIS or morph again into something else, that is certain.

 

No, you didn't even see. Facts were presented. You are welcome to refute those facts. But,'take the word of other people' reveals that you didn't even look.