Republicans defending Confederate symbols?

Your statement about black Americans doesn't always hold true. any detest the tearing down of our Nations Memorials.
The Jane Fonda's of the Nation stil are hostile to America. I don't know of any rebels that are. In fact, when you study American History, there were many Rebels like John Fitzhugh Lee, that fought along side of this Nation in the Spanish American War. Jane Fonda still hates us as Michelle Obama is, once again, not proud of her country.
Southerners in General, have contributed much to Americas greatness. Can you say that for Jane?

 

And I'm going to ask you since you are a Christian - how would you feel if the city council of your town decided to put up a twenty foot statue of Judas in the center of your town park? He's part of history, but do you really want him looking down on the place where you walk each day? Does that answer your question about how black Americans might feel about public statues of
men who fought to keep them in slavery?

 

But there are many Americans still alive who had to deal with segregation and government backed racism. It's still an open wound. I sure wouldn't want a statue of Jane Fonda in the public square, but can you at least use that distaste you feel for her make you empathetic to how black Americans might feel about statues to Southern generals?

 

Hitler was part of German history. Would you be okay with Germany still displaying Hitler statues?

If there is a place to remember this history, it should be in a museum, as a reminder of the bad things happening during that part of history, not as a a place for the people who never learn from history to worship.

 

Then you, or the left will eventually come along and want to tear down those horrible symbols of truth and history, YOU KNOW, the Little libraries! LMFAO

 

Judas, 1st of all , was one man. Each individual is responsible for his own sins. I and you are not without sins. Do you think Judas has a following that would like a statue of him?
Most Americans I hope realize, the Confederacy had, no doubt, some evil intent. On the other hand, Daniel, it represented a whole region of people, many of whom did not own slaves. ost of whom were men and women of character that rejoined our Union and contributed. Did you realize that even General Lee understood slavery was wrong but put the regional conflict as of greater importance? General James Longstreet showed a great deal of honor with reconciling with the Union?

Do you realize the Democrat Party now has allies with Antifa and Black Lives matters who want to basically transform America into something it was never meant to be? We see that in Seattle. Do you want to live in a City laced with Graffiti and Destruction? Would you be open that the Democrat Party can ever come back into the fold once again?

 

I don't have a problem with it! That's how I view Germany anyway, to be perfectly honest!

 

The problem is if we took that approach throughout history many of the monuments of today would not exist. (And to be fair I will admit this very thing has happened throughout history). The coming generations that were wronged by previous one would remove or destroy all testaments to them. For example if we take the civil war. That event happened close to 200 years ago. If we went back throughout history and used that same guideline people of the 1800s would destroy or take down all monuments of people that committed atrocities in the 1600s, people of the 1600s to 1400s and so on...

To answer your question regarding Judas question, I would not support the destruction or removal of any historic representations of him. For example it would be a tragedy if people wanted the Last Supper Mural removed from Milan. It was also appalling when the statue of Judas was vandalized and the head stolen from the statue in the Garden of Gethsemane.

As for modern creation of historic figures, I believe that fully falls to accepted cultural norms of the day. If they want to put a new statue of Judas in a public location and the public supports it then it is fine. If the public opposes it then don't do it. For example I see nothing wrong with erecting a new statue of Judas at a historically relevant location but if the park has nothing to do with him the pro arguments may be lacking.

 

And this has what to do with the topic again. Why not take your little rant and start your own topic about posters and how they post on a forum, or even more simpler STOP derailing and get on topic!

 

Do you think Black Americans could glean just a little bit by remembering the great struggle that won them their freedom? Don't discount the fact their were some blacks, not many, that remained loyal to the region of their birth. Many whites too for that matter. It was a regional contest to many that didn't like their homeland invaded regardless of the evils at the top. We are now reconciled. Even Genral Lee contibuted after the War by serving in the Virginia Military Institute. (can't say much for Jeff Davis though) .

 

Both parties have supporters that are real dicks - that's why I'm not a member of either. But that doesn't mean it defines
the party. There are plenty of Nazis and KKK who support the Republican Party, but I do not think it defines all Republicans.

 

And General Lee should be remembered for his history - but maybe now is not the time to have a big statue of him in the town square. Put it in storage for awhile until the raw wounds are less pronounced. It's not the end of the world to move a statue.

 

They certainly were, all the way up to the Civil Right act, and then they went covert and began funneling conservative/Republican/American tax dollars in to institutional slavery (Welfare) and things have been hunky-dory every since

 

Good Daniel. I think there is some argument that that logic could be applied to the Confederacy. Don't get me wrong. If the War were today I would undoubtedly follow in my Ancestors footsteps and fought for the Union!

 

Wouldn't bother me! He is part of that fable/history so I'm even good with a statue of Gods most favorite angel, Morning Star/Satan if you will as he is Heavy in this story

 

The confederacy had slaves when it was acceptable by a major part of society to own slaves. There were slaves all over this world at that time. There were both black and white slaves.
It has never been acceptable to exterminate a group of humans, at least in anything resembling modern times.

 

Same here, although my pop was born/bred Alabama, sooooooooo Id have to be selective in my aim.

 

Yes, will wonders never cease. Europe had forbidden slavery more than a hundred-years before. The Portugese where the first slavers in Europe in the 15th century. It took another century or so for Europeans to decide that it was "ungodly" to employ slaves and stop traders from bringing them up from Africa.

So these traders started selling slaves into southern US farms, because most migrants from Europe were settling in the northern states. Which is how the North/South conflict from the start of the American republic. It too a long while for a war to happen that settled the matter in the early 1960s. Unfortunately, that war was deeply inbred in some people than and (surprisingly) still today!

One can educate a nation out of an acceptance of slavery, but it is really a long haul. As the US has proven.

But neither can the US be proud of its past as regards the far too constant treatment of American blacks - or for that matter any one who is not white-'n-shiney. To wit:

 

I would plead with everyone involved in this discussion to just view this video to it's end. I think they might find it uplifting. To me, it answers the question, should monuments to this conflict be destroyed?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...1CB7CCD14B18CDE4C4C31CB&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

 

Those wounds will forever be raw as long as there is a driving force to keep them raw.
(Where would Al Sharpton work?)

 

Why should it matter which side they were on?

 

Men aren’t perfect and we should honor those that fought to move the concept of our country forward.

That would NOT include a soul from the Confederacy.

If you’re tying your heritage to the Confederacy something has gotten confused in the mix.

So some morons made a catastrophic mistake. Correct it and move on. That’s definitely something to take pride in.

 

and now its REPUBLICANS demanding we respect Confederate flags and monuments!!!

 

"They were Americans". NO. They were Confederates who sought to destroy America.
They were the slaveholding, Jim Crow loving Democrats the Republicans always talk about.