Republicans defending Confederate symbols?

But if we wipe out all the history of slavery then what excuses will the African American community have left?

 

What about them? The South was too stupid to accept the offer Abraham Lincoln offered them to keep their slaves AND stay in the Union. The South lost all the way around, didn't they?

 

Do you think the poor white Southerners, a majority, who did not own slaves but had to compete for work with those that did.....do you think they fought for slavery??? I really doubt it. To them it was a regional war!

I would say to you, Moriah, I agree the Civil War had slavery at it's basis, but individuals fought for all kinds of reasons. Slavery was not in the interest to a majority of Southerners.

 

Furthermore, the North had slaves for 70 some odd years VS what? 6 for the CSA?

 

I am far from being a historian, but WWII was a fascinating period. We allied with Russia and Stalin. Chruchhill saw Stalin for what he was. I am not so sure about Roosevelt.

We sent ship loads of lend-lease to Russia to beat the Germans. I don't know how many P-39 Bell Aircobra fighter aircraft were sent to Russia. The US hated the airplane, but the Russians loved it. The engine was behind the pilot. The drive shaft to the propeller ran between the pilot's legs. I am not sure what the advantage of such an aircraft design was supposed to be, but it did allow for some heavy artillery in the nose.

 

They fought to keep those slave states in the Union where slavery was legal. So what about them? Secession wasn't just about the slaves as you note. They lost a war they did not seek and lost millions of lives and property during that invasion and the sons and daughters fought an honorable fight against that invasion and are memorialized for it.

 

More center of gravity with the mid-engine which did not prove successful for our forces. And the thousands of Studebaker trucks sent, without that advantage it gave Russia they couldn't have beat the Germans let alone all the other supplies and arms.

 

Amongst other reasons. Some mostly in the North wanted to dictate to the new territories and states the issue of slavery, the Southern states wanted self determination. You do know Lincoln did not invade the South to end slavery. You do know that for almost 100 years when a slave looked up they saw the Stars and Stripes including during and after the Civil War ended. They only saw the Confederate flag, the Confederate Battle Flag which is at issue here, for 5 years. So why don't we abolish the Stars and Stripes and come up with another one?







Explain how the Confederacy was trying to destroy the United States when Lincoln invaded them? I think the destroying was being done by the United States against the Confederacy.

 

They fought to defend their states from a foreign invasion, from the total destruction that was being reigned down upon them had they not defended against that your ancestor would still have been slaves, remember YOU said Lincoln would have kept them slaves. And when he did invade it was to bring those states BACK into the union WITH their slavery.

And I have no problem with your list and memorials towards them.

 

They seceded over slavery. They repeatedly said so. Modern revisionism won't change the facts.

 

"Self-determination" . . . in order to deny self-determination in the most extreme manor possible . . . through slavery. This is insane. When you have to invoke the term "self determination" in order to justify actual tyranny, you aren't even trying anymore.

Also: the Confederacy clearly didn't give two shits about state "self determination" regarding slavery, as proven by their own country when they founded it . . . all slave-owning and with nation-wide protections for slave ownership. The Confederacy gave no room for free states. All Confederate states and territories were, and had to be, slave states and territories.

 

When you put most of the weight near the center of gravity it makes it more it more sensitive to weight away from the center of gravity. Distribution of weight throughout the aircraft allows it to be less sensitive.

 

That's because the CSA only existed for 6 years. Meanwhile, the CSA rebelled against the US over slavery and they tried founding their new country with slavery as its primary focus.

 

As a person on the right side of politics, I think they should remain as historical objects however I personally disagree with the 'South was misunderstood/South was right' beliefs. The Confederates fired the first shots and my Union ancestor was wounded defending my town.

 

When the Southern states decided to separate from the Union, they each created a "Constitution" a statement of why they choose to separate. Every one of those statements mentioned the right to keep Africans in slavery as a reason for splitting from the Union.
Slavery was important to their way of life. The slaves produced the great wealth enjoyed by the planter class. The poor Whites were convinced by the wealthy slaveowners to fight in the Civil War. In reality, the wealthy Whites didn't care much about the poor Whites---they called them "poor White trash". But, they were happy to have the poor Whites fight for them to keep their slaves.

 

Who, specifically, fought under that flag, apart from some naval battles? That wasn't even the flag of the Confederacy.

6 or so shameful years of historical mistakes are not the South's "heritage."

 

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Yet they claim (which is false) that their party ended slavery. Progressive Republicans and conservative Republicans are nothing alike.

How did you end something that the confederacy fought for and still defend the confederacy?

 

The flag that you are talking about was not the flag the the people you presume to admire actual fought under, so nothing to admire there.

Meanwhile, one of the ones they DID actually fight under was specifically designed (in the words of its designer) as a symbol of white supremacy, so nothing to admire there either.

 

Texas has had six different flags over the years. They have fought under at least three of them that I can think of off the top of my head.

 

I would add to your post....correct me if I'm wrong Bluesguy, they also wanted to expand slavery to new territories.

 

Then how is it we are the United States today? Back to the OP...... I think there were honorable men in the Confederacy. I don't want their statues destroyed but I do believe slavery was an evil system whose time needed to come to an end. Of course slavery still exists in Africa and the Barbary Pirates enslaved a good many white Europeans.

 

It would be up to the territories.

 

OK and slavery existed in the United States and the United States did not invade the Confederacy to free any slaves.

 

I don't think Lincoln was going to allow them to expand slavery. That was part of the "states rights" beef.