Republicans: Who do you want as your nominee?

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Who would you nominate

  1. Chris Christie

    10 vote(s)
    16.4%
  2. Bobby Jindal

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%
  3. Paul Ryan

    5 vote(s)
    8.2%
  4. Marco Rubio

    3 vote(s)
    4.9%
  5. Jeb Bush

    2 vote(s)
    3.3%
  6. Rand Paul

    21 vote(s)
    34.4%
  7. John Huntsman

    6 vote(s)
    9.8%
  8. Sarah Palin

    5 vote(s)
    8.2%
  9. Rick Santorum

    3 vote(s)
    4.9%
  10. Other(Susan Martinez; Tim Pawlenty;Bachmann;etc)

    5 vote(s)
    8.2%
  1. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    Well, considering most WW2 vets are dead by now, that's kind of a moot point.

    Still, your assessment of the military today seems to overlook that the primary causes of failures in Middle East intervention are the rules of engagement. In a lot of cases, soldiers can't fire until being fired upon. This basically is to the point where insurgents can point their weapons at them and they still can't be shot.

    Another simple reason why our interventionism doesn't work in much of the region is that the conflicts are often in remote regions that cross national lines. Most of the attacks happening in Afghanistan involve groups of people who cross back and forth along the Pakistan border. We do drone strikes on villages in Pakistan, but we can't actually invade those areas, so all the strikes typically do is kill civilians while helping recruitment efforts among the terrorists.

    In short, blame management and the ineptness and corruption of the Pakistani government. Also, the new governments installed in Iraq and Afghanistan aren't exactly top quality either.

    The aftermath of WW2 was very different for several reasons:

    1) News coverage was heavily censored. Plenty of guerilla attacks occurred in post-war Germany, but we rarely heard about them since there was a blackout of these events in many cases. Today, we hear all about these events, so we get a more accurate view of what an occupation is like.

    2) Because Europe is a lot more culturally advanced than the Middle East, reconstruction efforts were much simpler than what we have had to deal with Iraq and Afghanistan. The terrain was also much tamer as well.

    3) Each European nation has a general cultural identity and unity that limited the amount of infighting as compared with the multiethnic states of Iraq and Afghanistan. There has been a long history of antagonism between Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq, just as various tribes have always fought each other in Afghanistan.

    In Afghanistan's case, it took leadership as savage as the Taliban to keep the peace. It mirrors how Vlad Tepes maintained control in Wallachia.
     
  2. OverDrive

    OverDrive Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am by no means a Christie groupie....but, just as social conservatives cant get elected by saying that they are right, (altho essentially saying the same as the epitaph on a hit & run victims's tombstone--but they are still DEAD) the same game MUST be played by the Right to regain the WH! It's either being Right and still continuing to lose; or being crafty (wise as serpents) and gaining the WH & both houses of Congress to implement Conservative policies.

    As a Conservative, I will hold my nose and vote for Christie if it accomplishes the greater good!
     
  3. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just watched a Huntsman interview on CNN....I would vote for him above all others, unfortunately the GOP would not let him play, and he probably wont do it regardless.
     
  4. AmericanNationalist

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    I was a huge fan of Huntsman/Herman Cain. Sound fiscal policies with a major interest in American investment, with the background required. Similarly, if I could stick Mitt Romney in the Department of Commerce and PURELY under the department of commerce, that would be great.

    The Republicans have some strong economic minds, it's too bad the party foundation as a whole is shaky. (Neo-Con war hawking).

    If they weren't war hawks, I could see myself registering as a Republican. As it is, they're just as sold out as Dems.
     
  5. wolfin

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    I like Surfin' USA's comments. Additionally, Europeans are our relatives, and therefore, we share essentially the same culture and some of us still maintain family ties. Reconstruction was also less difficult because Europe already had a modern infrastructure. So did Japan.

    Our government policies and occasional ineptitude also contribute to reverses in our wars. Family members and others we knew served in Afghanistan and Iraq. They were not at fault.

    A WW11 veteran friend who fought at Omaha Beach and was in Germany during the early part of the occupation told us stories about German intransigence. Our troops sometimes were unofficially violent, even killing Germans who mistreated friendly Germans. Such stories would be well- publicized today.
     
  6. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    With the GOP frontrunner having dramatically self-destructed, it's now especially off-putting for Republicans to even persue the limited menu.


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    Maybe it's best to just keep bellywhinging, and support no one!​
     
  7. newworldgovernment

    newworldgovernment Banned

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    Attention republicans who voted for Rand Paul - it is not Ron Paul, and a completely different bird.
     
  8. bwk

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    :roflol: I still say a great mind is a terrible thing to waste. You have no business wasting your time here. My only real question is this; should your hour program come before the great mind of John Stewart or after? That's a tough one for me.
     
  9. politicalcenter

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    So...maybe we should quit spending our treasure and lives on a war that can't be won?

    And possibly spend our treasure at home where it belongs...Oh wait a minute... we are broke.
     
  10. Serfin' USA

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    No argument here. I'm a non-interventionist myself.
     
  11. justoneman

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    So did you vote in this poll?
     
  12. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes...I did
     
  13. justoneman

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    Confirms my theory that only liberals vote for huntsman and christi in the forum polls.
     
  14. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Confirms my theory that idiots feel any Republican who has not gone extreme is considered a liberal....and that the rise of libertarian popularity is a direct result of these Republicans feeling pushed out of the party.

    Good Job killing the GOP....I actually no longer wish to be associate with such mindless drivel.
     
  15. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you can cut tons of waste and still do better in the areas you mention, a real patriot would support that....


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  16. justoneman

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    The question in the poll was asked of Republicans who they would vote for. You are clearly far from being a Republican. My point stands. Only Liberals vote for Christie and Huntsman.
     
  17. Troianii

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    oi oi oi, what is it with liberals these days and just calling anything they don't like 'extreme'? It seems like liberals have lost touch with reality and what is extreme. Even at the height of the Tea Party's influence, when more than 3/10 Americans identified with it, liberals called it extreme or extremist - less than 2/10 Americans identify with liberals.
     
  18. AmericanNationalist

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    It's unfortunate that the Republican Party is so devoid of any actual talent. As Newgovernment said, Rand Pauls' riding off his father's coattails, an ugly mixture of a quasi-Libertarian with a Neo-Con. Which is the pure definition of a "wolf in sheeps clothing" if I ever saw one.

    But perhaps A Libertarian has to pull the Neo-Con vote to get some sense of sanity inside Washington. But it still disgusts me, I'd rather be a pure Libertarian then subject myself to a Neo-Con.(I see myself as a Authoritarian-Centrist).

    I'd love to see a Mike Lee/Ted Cruz ticket. I would gladly vote for it. I think those two have the experience, political fortitude and the spine for this country. After 16 years of Obama/Bush, it's time to get people in the White House who know what the hell they're doing.

    If those two can't balance the budget, it'll be pretty hard to find anyone in Washington who can.
     
  19. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can only reply with the FACT of my voter registration.....and explain that people like you are making me rethink 30 yrs. of loyalty.
     
  20. justoneman

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    Ok ill bite. Who did you vote for in the past two presidential elections?
     
  21. justoneman

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    Ok ill bite. Who did you vote for in the past two presidential elections?
     
  22. ErikBEggs

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    All I can take from this is that conservatives just do not want to win in 2016.
     
  23. Defender of Freedom

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    Where be Ted Cruz???
     
  24. ErikBEggs

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    Canada.
     
  25. Defender of Freedom

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    He's a Progressive, like McCain, Chris Christie, and Harry Reid. Only difference is one collapses economies faster than the other.
     

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