Resolved: Legal Access to Abortion is Necessary for the Freedom and Equality of Women"

A very good debate from both sides concerning the subject. Both make their cases very well and very civilly I might note. For some reason the opening splash screen is 20 minutes long so you can skip that far and I urge you to stay for the question and answers at the end.

Resolved: Legal Access to Abortion is Necessary for the Freedom and Equality of Women" - a debate with Jill Filipovic, Brooklyn-based journalist, lawyer, and author, and Alexandra DeSanctis, staff writer at National Review. Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at the University of Notre Dame. Presented by the Center for Citizenship & Constitutional Government. More info at constudies.nd.edu.

 

related video for those who like listening to long lectures about abortion:
former abortionist gives lecture

 

as long as the legal access is there, I do not care what ones beliefs are on it, each can choose for themselves to have or not have an abortion

 

Abortion = murder.

Fixed that for ya.

 

Modifying my post is against the rules, feel free to use that phrase in your own post as your own words

 

This man describes the act of abortion.

This man is describing murder.

Abortion = murder.

To ignore this, is to ignore the reality. And I doubt very much that you could have the stomach to carry out an abortion due to the nature of the act itself. Not many could.

There ya go.

 

it's not murder, it's abortion, same as a miscarriage (also an abortion)

 

lol a miscarriage is an act of nature. Much like cancer, or any illness. It's not an act set out on purpose which results in the taking of a human life.

Very piss poor comparisson.

 

cells in a petri dish are not babies, they are potential babies

 

Cells in a petri dish are not what's being aborted. If you dared to watch the video, the doctor describes tearing off limbs.

Wanna try again?

 

so your ok with flushing the extra's in a petri dish after in-vitro is successful?

 

from the video ( 49:19 )

" 'Women need this. Women suffer and women need this.' I think that's a devastating lie. Women need so much more than abortion could ever hope to offer. Abortion is like trying to put a tiny band-aid on a gaping wound."
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from the video ( 50:29 )

"Imagine feeling like in order to pay your bills, you have to kill your child."
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from the video ( 52:18 )

The second woman I spoke with, her name's Catherine Davis, told me, quote "I can't tell you how many women have fallen into my arms in tears because their significant other put a gun to their head or threatened to kill them, or had someone escort them into an abortion clinic to keep them there, to make them have an abortion." Do those women sound free?​

 

A very balanced, open minded approach.

 

Sounds a very emotional video.
I would immediately be put on my guard.
Why was it made?

 

I mean when the person performing the procedure described having to rip limbs off ...

 

To reply to the OP, once again I submit that the state should have no place in legislating about such personal, individual moral issues. One size does definitely NOT fit all and attitudes towards abortion are as private and individual as what you think God is.
Imagine the state legislating on a definition of God and telling you what to believe. There would be uproar about the overreach of government.

And ironically it it those to the right who seem to be the first to tell everyone else how to live their lives...the ideologues who say they want to decentralise legislative power yeah right...until it comes to interfering with personal moral choice, at which we are back to The Scarlet Letter.

 

If abortion were legal and accepted practice by qualified personnel in hospitals, there wouldn't be limbs ripped off.
Do you think abortions will stop if they are made illegal?
I can assure you the number of kitchen tables upon which limbs will be ripped off will increase. And the number of permanently mentally scarred women will also increase due to lack of counselling.

 

It is unfortunate that so many abortions are done. It shows a very poor understanding of responsible sexual activity. There are much better ways for women's health and health care facilities to function. The question is who should decide if an abortion is done. Pregnancy is a unique situation and only women experience it. It is thus logical that the women should be the deciding element.

 

Precisely
It is not anyone else's business, especially those who make decisions more attuned to their own political careers than the needs of individual women.

 

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No, women are not stupid when it comes to sexual activity, they are just human when it comes to sexual activity.

Humans make mistakes in ALL aspects of their lives, it doesn't make them irresponsible nor should every aspect of their lives be controlled to punish those who make mistakes.

What better way to serve women than to safely eliminate a pregnancy they don't want.

True but NO one should lose the right to bodily autonomy whether female or male.

 

For me, its not about whether or not abortion is right or wrong. Its about government interference. Those that support using government force to do what they agree with support using force for what they oppose. This is one issue that makes both parties hypocrites.

 

So nothing about the debate which is what this thread is about.

 

Well, both of the speakers are women...

If you would rather listen to cold hard logic with a hefty dose of cynicism, there is that other video where the former abortion doctor speaks.

 

No it's a pretty straight forward debate although the woman on the pro-abortion side at times attempted to got to the emotional argument. Did you watch it?

When there is another life involved the state has an interest, but that is not what the OP debate is about, how about watching and getting back?

 

Is that the "freedom" abortion gives to women, "freedom" to make mistakes with no consequences, even when another human life is involved? As I a male am held responsible for my mistakes and have to suffer the consequences. Is that equality?

"Better way to serve" by violently ending a human life is what gives women equality and freedom? Have you watched the debate yet?