Retired admiral, commander of bin Laden raid, slams Trump's sentiments on media

Has he censored them or has he disputed their BS? They are still free to say/print whatever they choose.

 

By granting those he approves of special access he has censored those he does not approve of

 

Good for Admiral McRaven.

Now if we could get the Republican members of congress to speak out on this also...they would truly be serving their constituencies.

Trump's assault on the electoral process and the media...ARE the "greatest threat to democracy" I've seen in my lifetime also.

 

Exclusion from press conferences is quite close to censorship. It is certainly stifling the free press.

He has rights as an individual citizen but also responsibilities as a president, and I think he is having difficulty reconciling those two positions.

This current rancour perhaps is reflective of a similar, more general tug-of-war in society, between increasing individualism in an ever-more connected world...

 

Oh please. Why did I have a feeling that if you responded that you'd reference Breitbart?

I asked you for a right wing media outlet that performs real journalism for the masses. Instead you provide a fringe outlet that most everyday citizens have never read. Both the left and the right have ideological red meat sites. Don't expend energy providing such a shallow example.

I told you before that I'm not going to waste time providing specific examples that you'll dismiss because it doesn't fit your narrative. The fact that you can read the front page of the NYT and not smell the taint in the coverage says that's absolutely true. But if your sincere, buy a copy of the Wall Street Journal and put it side-by-side with the NYT. Look at the front page of each. Almost certainly, the WSJ will have articles unemotionally examining policy Trump wants to advance. At the same time, the NYT will have at least one article talking about how the Trump inner circle is in complete disarray. The focus of the two is completely different.

And it's exactly what the NYT publicly said they were going to do. That's not OPINION.

 

Versus Obama who gave those he disapproved of DOJ investigations - James Rosen, IRS slow walks through the free speech funding process, and IRS audits. That was only if you forgot about Obama wiretapping the AP.

Obama gave FOX and Limbaugh special access through his constant attacks.

 

This is exactly what I was worried about with either Trump or Hillary getting elected. The focus would be on personality - not accomplishments.

Trump is so all consumed with his image in the media that instead of his self-proclaimed, "secret plan to destroy ISIS," we get an all-out war on American media companies.
Instead of Tax-reform, we have infighting among Republicans and the President over Tweets.

In his first 30 days in office, Obama worked WITH Congress to get the stimulus package passed.

In his first 30 days in office, Trump has worked with Congress to ... what?

Trump FanBoys have to realize that their dude wasn't elected Emperor. If he continually picks fights with his own party, the list of accomplishments is going
to be some Executive Orders and successfully banning CNN from the WH.

If Trump can't get Congress to come together on a Tax Bill, then the Trump Rally in the stock market is going to become the Trump Slump.

 

Banning reporters from a press conference I not censorship, they will still post stories but maybe not first hand.

While I voted for Trump he would not have been my first option, I looked at him as a con artist, a very successful con artist. Even so, he is battling opposition from the DNC and the GOP and he seems to be winning. What I have noticed is the first harsh exchange is simply setting the boundaries, outlining both his position and consequences he is able to impose. It's a shock to a press that is used to politicians fearing them. We'll see how it all turns out after 6 months of his Presidency.

 

No, he has limited their access to him. They still get press releases. Denial of access was the way of the political war for decades in this country.

 

In other words you cannot proide even one single example that actually supports your utterly bogus allegation.

Got it!

Have a nice day!

 

Rewriting history?.

And btw...the right will never live it down that bin Laden was taken out on Obama's watch...will they?

 

The problem with that "pace and lead" style is that it is only working for his extremist alt right sycophants who don't actually need it because they will support him irrespective of what he does or doesn't do.

The problem the Incoherent-in-Chief is facing is that genuine professional leaders, like the Admiral in the OP, can see right through the BS and know that it is NOT working for the majority of We the People.

A genuine leader UNITES We the People rather than divides them. A genuine leader does NOT demean and denigrate hard working Americans exercising their constitutional rights by calling them "the enemy of the people".

When it comes to the fundamentals of leadership Trump is scoring an 'F-'.

 

He's attempting to demonize the three entities that have or will have the facts, knowledge and power to reveal the rot that lies just barely beneath the foundation of his swamp-filled administration. The press, the intel community and the judiciary are all threats to his and his cronies' agendas. The only folks that fall for his red meat rhetoric are his fans and thankfully they really are the minority in the USA.

 

Is that right? So are we supposed to play 'can you guess what he really means', every time he opens his stupid gob? It's flip-flopping however you try to spin it, and making excuses for Trump isn't working.

 

Not until long after Obama and Biden outed them. Gotta keep up.

 

We have a situation that has never existed before. For most of my life- the press respected the office of president as well as the person. The press held it's journalistic creed as sacred, and violating it was to lose your acceptance in the field. Presidents courted press approval, just as politicians of all kinds do- using this to manipulate people but being manipulated by the press in the process. Don't make anyone mad, or they may say bad things about you. We have lived in an era where lots of public tippy-toeing was the rule- but the power moves were still going on, done under the table, hidden from public view. Presidents hated some reporters 40 years ago, and some reporters hated presidents- but they both played the game. That is past.

I would always prefer to hear an uncomfortable truth and know where things stood than hear a comfortable lie and believe in something imaginary, but a lot of people can't handle that. In life, there are some people with the courage to be who they are, to be true to what they believe- and invariably they will offend those who insist they be catered to, that their feelings be respected by others so they may avoid what they don't want to hear. Hardly the way to get results- instead it kept things quietly mediocre. Such people are generally very strong personalities, and criticism rolls off them like water on a duck. They are generally not fake in any way either. They do what they have said they would do; they keep their word. Your dis-like for such a person is something they see as your right, as well as your problem. Such people make the worlds best leaders, but often unpopular ones in the beginning that later won places of great praise in history. Winston Churchill, Patton, Douglas MacArthur, Harry Truman- all that kind of person.

When a reporter picked a fight with Obama, the president tap-danced. When one picks a fight with Trump, he gets a fight. Treat Trump with respect- and that doesn't mean not asking a hard question, it means not being insulting or abusive in the process- and they would get a respectful answer. The press has lost it's integrity, and thinks that it now has rights but not responsibility. That is their problem; they created it, the left is enabling it- and Trump isn't tolerating it nor providing the lip service and soft-shoe tricks of the past. The press can have it otherwise anytime they want to.

As far as a threat to the American people- having a press lacking integrity and promoting political positions instead of reporting the legitimate news is indeed a threat to the nation.
It's called propaganda.

 

Please point out where Winston Churchill, Patton, Douglas McArthur or Harry Truman ever cheated fellow American out of their money to line their own pockets. Cannot recall any of them starting a bogus university.
Comparing the swindler in The White House to those you named is beyond ludicrous....for a plethora of reasons.

And btw..how much importance do you place on "integrity" if you are in support of a self-serving fraud? Really now!

 

OOh as if waah Trump from an admiral is any less silly that wah trump from any other stooge. Had he called out anyone in the Media other CNN, NYT WAPO, and a couple of other lose cannons the admiral might have a point. but Trump didn't

 

You all elected a liar as President. He didn't get more votes than Hillary. There wasn't a mass voting scandal with liberals shipped to NE on buses. And Trump did not have people lined up for blocks last night to hear him speak. The press is just reporting the drivel that comes out of his insuliting, lying, big mouth.

Get a grip. Come back to earth. Get your head out of your rear end. The man is a pathological liar. That has been proven time and time again.

 

Yawn . . . an Obama era sell-out roars a mighty-roar and countless b-hurt leftists cheer -- again. Same ol' same ol'. The fellow might as well have been sell-out Colin Powell.

 

The problem with what you see is the prejudice that limits your perception to what you want to see. Nobody can make your wash your own windows on life, you have to learn how to do that yourself. In a class I used to teach, I told people how learning the skill I taught could change the past. Of course, most students snickered, some boldly called the statement BS. In one class a woman who was there for a refreshment jumped up and said "But it's true! It's true!" And, it is- when we learn to understand what we have seen wrongly in the past, our perception of things changes. People we resented can turn into our best friends- and people we followed and thought were our friends we realize were the users instead. We see reality only through our own kaliedescope, and few people know how to avoid the deception that creates.

IF you find your mental yardsticks are consistently reliable, and that is proven by long term positive results, you probably have pretty good ones. If you are always in conflict, having history repeat itself- you probably have poor ones that are feeding you bad information. The majority of people fall into the second category, and they will usually fight to stay there.

 

Obviously you didn't really research the HC history- nor are you paying attention to what is really happening. Can't help you there, that is your problem not mine.

 

Yes, I am very prejudiced against trust fund baby entities that would cheat me out my hard-earned savings to fatten their wallets. I would also hold a grudge against someone that refused to pay me for my services based on our agreed upon amount by threatening to go into a bankruptcy and screwing me altogether. Indeed!

New Yorkers have known what a cheat and fraud Trump is from way back as opposed to his supporters that are recycled birthers and fans of a dumbed-down reality TV show.

 

Well, I wouldn't expect you to give any credit where it is due, because you would have to admit your position was moronic to do so. But "pace and lead" is a very effective leadership technique, and he has used it many many times to his advantage.

It can just as effectively be used the opposite way; to gain leadership over a moderate group and lead them to an extreme position, but we don't see Trump doing that. GWB, did that all the time.

 

So- are you saying that Trump cheated you out of some payment owed to you, or just lumping that accusation into the stew you're cooking?

I've know many wealthy and successful people. While a couple were definitely sharks you wouldn't turn your back on, most were far more honest than everyday people are. Tough, shrewd managers- but honest. Now I've never met Trump, but have done business with one of his closest friends, billionaire Phil Ruffin. Ruffin is a no-nonsense tough manager- but honest, and has no tolerance for dishonesty... yet holds Trump in high esteem. It's easy to nit-pick any person or subject; ignore what would not serve your purpose, exaggerate what will. Make your conclusion, then create the argument to arrive at it. I think everyone does that at one time or another. It is without doubt the primary pathology behind the hate-Trump campaign.

So far- Trump has done and continues to do things that are absolutely without precedent. Moving quickly to keep campaign promises- I've never seen that before, and I remember Harry Truman. Are you aware that the investment world, which is a very watchful and careful community always betting on the future of the nation- has raised the value of our stock market $3 trillion dollars in about three months? The movement started at the first trading session on November 9th, and hasn't slowed down. Even the worst whiners (assuming they have a 401, IRA or invested savings) are gaining like never before. Like it or not, Trump is triggering changes that will dramatically brighten our future. So, hate if you must- and enjoy the benefits of having a president that actually does what he say he will do and gets things done. Personal insults don't really affect him- or me either. Those are statements about those who make them, not those they throw them at.
He does shoot from the hip with some comments, but I also realize this man moves at a pace that his own staff is hard-pressed to keep up with, and the small details (which often don't matter anyway) are sometimes not stated accurately- but immediately jumped on with haters screaming "Lies!".

Facts do have relevancy in many issues- rants do not.