Returning power to the states is a terrible idea

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  1. dadoalex

    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And I still don't respond to inline posts no matter how inadequate the post.
     
  2. WAN

    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think I will change my posting style just to suit you. I also don't care that someone like you think my posts are inadequate. I mean, you want people with a penis to use the women's room.

    You did, however, dodge and evade again.

    I will ask you again. What is wrong with folks asking questions that YOU THINK are dumb? Don't you agree that asking questions is a major way for people to learn?
     
  3. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Assume you live in CA and you are a transgender taking on the identity and lifestyle of a female, you drive to the airport and you need to pee before boarding the plane so you choose to use the women's restroom and all is okay. You board your flight and later land in Louisiana, after deplaning you need to pee so now do you choose the women's restroom or the men's restroom? Then you check into your hotel, go to the gym, and want to have a sauna and shower...which locker room should you use? Next day you hop another flight for business in SC only to find when you deplane SC does not allow or recognize transgender people.

    Obviously the above is fictional but my point is it's also more complex than most think, that in these types of issues it might make more sense to have national laws, since it was always my belief that as an American and living in the United States of America, that I would be treated equitably no matter which State I might choose to live or visit. The US today is burdened with too much division as it is so why create more?
     
  4. fifthofnovember

    fifthofnovember Well-Known Member

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    First, I think you need to be more specific about what you mean when you say "gender". The left has it meaning different things these days. So to be clear, we divide people up according to their actual sex, not some mental construct. EVERYONE gets divided up according to sex, so how is this not equitable? "Gender", as progressively defined, is irrelevant to the situation.

    How about an apt example...

    Put a sign on a restroom door that says "Women" (implied is "No Men Please!")

    What do you think will happen? Oh yeah, exactly what society has been doing for a very long time with no problems!
     
  5. WAN

    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just because you failed to back up your bogus position, it does not mean my English is bad. I will repeat my question, seeing as how hard you are squirming and trying to weasel your way out of it:

    How is it "harming them" to make people with a penis use the men's room, instead of the women's?

    Do you always turn to personal attacks when your intellectual superior corners you?
     
  6. dadoalex

    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You may post in whatever style you desire.
    You may ask any question you desire.

    I may choose not to respond to a post when you post in a manner that I find dishonest.
    I may choose not to answer questions that I find irrelevant, argumentative, or just plain dumb.

    Clear enough?

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    I don't reply to inline quotes. Inline quotes is a dishonest method of taking quotes out of context.
     
  7. WAN

    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And I may choose to believe that the reason you avoid my straightforward, innocuous questions is because you are unable to answer them.

    Yea, pretty clear.
     
  8. dadoalex

    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, it's actually "yeah," slang for "yes" as opposed to "yea" something you yell when your football team scores.

    So, point made.
     
  9. WAN

    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yea, so basically you avoid having to deal with my point/s (although I am sure you will just call them dumb and therefore beneath you) by picking on my English.

    P.s. English is actually not my first language so naturally I might have some slight problems with it. But I fail to see how nitpicking about people's language usage lends credence to your "argument" (I use this term very loosely, seeing as I am dealing with you), though.
     
  10. fifthofnovember

    fifthofnovember Well-Known Member

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    Oh please. I responded to your statement, then provided a counterexample to your example. There was nothing dishonest about it. In fact, what is dishonest is saying that you won't respond to a point-by-point rebuttal (which would contain many inline quotes) and then acting like you are taking the moral high ground. You know that not a damn thing was "taken out of context". Pathetic excuse.
     
  11. dadoalex

    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I pick out your language as the most obvious and recent indicator of your lack in care in framing and presenting your input thus indicating your lack of preparation or qualifications for these discussions. And since we're on the subject...

    It's still "yeah," slang for yes not "yea" what you do when Spongebob comes on.
    "Point/s" is incorrect we're looking for "point(s)."

    Postscript (P.S.) is used after the closing in reference to an entirely separate line of thought not as a continuation of the previous paragraph.

    That comes out to 1 error for every 40 characters you post. AND THAT'S JUST GRAMATTICAL! Add in your obvious lack of grasp or understanding of the issues and your insistence on belaboring something well beyond its "sell by date" despite repeated (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slaps and reading your posts is like living in opposite world.
     
  12. dadoalex

    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whatever.
    If you're unable to form a cogent response without the use of this technique then don't. It's obvious you're more upset about this than I.
     
  13. WAN

    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First of all, so what my English isn't perfect? It's not my first language. Secondly, so what I lack preparation or qualifications for these discussions? Do you think people are all born brimming with knowledge about the world around them? It's like I said earlier, everybody is born ignorant and asking questions is a major way that they learn.

    Your insinuating that I am a child who watches spongebob didn't go unnoticed. Also I purposely neglected to capitalize spongebob because I know it will drive you into a frenzy. You get emotional very easily.

    Strict adherence to the English language does not mean one is now intelligent or that one now has good argument/s. You are a prime example of this.

    Why does someone's grammar not being perfect rile you up so easily? Don't you have better things to get anal about? Like maybe making sure that people with a penis being allowed to use the bathroom with women?

    Again, you have been consistently sniveling about how I don't understand the issue/s at hand. Why is this even a bad thing? Can people not try to learn for themselves by participating in online debates and asking questions?
    Where have I "belabored" something beyond the sell-by date? Quote me. Also, me cornering you with questions that you very obviously cannot answer somehow translates into you (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slapping me? Woman please.

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    He is right though. Your insistence that people don't use "inline quotes" IS a pathetic (but convenient for you) excuse whenever you cant counter something intelligently. You also labor under the delusion that people give a crap about the preferences of someone like you.
     
  14. Professor Peabody

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    So allowing States to legalize pot even though it's still against Federal Law is a bad idea?
     
  15. Nightmare515

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    It sounds to me like we are agreeing here....

    Yes, pre operation transgender folks don't go into the opposite sex's shower facility or locker room because they know they'd get in trouble.

    So, society doesn't accept transgender folks going into the opposite sex's showers until they have the surgery. So why should society suddenly accept transgender folks going into the opposite sex's restroom prior to having the surgery?

    What you said earlier is that denying someone access to a facility based solely on their gender is unconstitutional. So why can we deny transgender men access to the womens shower facility? Is that not unconstitutional?

    If we can apply that unconstitutional ruling to bathrooms then we can apply it to shower facilities as well. It's the same thing. A transgender guy walking into the womens shower to clean up isn't going in there to peek, he/she is just going in there to clean up. What's the difference?

    You say its humiliating to transgender folks to force them to use the restroom that corresponds with their anatomy. So is it not equally humiliating to force transgender folks to use the shower corresponding with their anatomy?

    Can't allow one and deny the other, doing so would be, according to you, unconstitutional. Yes?
     
  16. dadoalex

    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do you know unless you look?

    Is that really what you want, the government mandating that everyone show their 'business' to an official government 'business' inspector before using the facilities?

    The fact is that we have been accepting it since the creation of gender specific facilities. Men have been dressing as women, women as men, and using the other's facilities. Doesn't cause a problem, at all.

    All that's changed is Obergfell and the loss of one of the places people can show their hater and disgust for LGBTQ people. After losing the alter a new 'crisis' was created and the haters fell in line like the lemmings they are.

    We never had laws requiring the government to check what's in your undies before Obergfell, we don't need those laws now.
     
  17. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I'm not talking about bathrooms I'm talking about other gender specific facilities like locker rooms and showers. What you're proposing with bathrooms will open up the door to other things as well because the exact same "anti-discrimination" policies can be applied there as well. You say we cannot discriminate based on gender and having gender specific facilities in itself is unconstitutional. That includes, bathrooms, showers, locker rooms, dressing rooms, all of it.

    The reason it's never really been an issue as you say is because transgender folks do what they think society will let them get away with. As I said earlier I don't even know if there is a specific law that says you have to use the bathroom that corresponds with your anatomy, but it doesn't matter because society has basically governed itself in that regard by using the common sense logic of if you're a man you use the mens room and vice versa. You say there is no problem with that now and I'll just have to take your word for it because I don't really run in to very many transgender folks too often, and if I do I don't even know it, bingo that's the point, I don't even know it most of the time so why does it matter?

    You're right, it doesn't, in regards to bathrooms. But when we start talking about showers and locker rooms then yes it matters. Those aren't stalls those are open bay facilities. In such a situation you don't have to "look" on purpose to figure out that the person under that dress is actually a guy when he takes his clothes off.

    As I've said numerous times before, I am no hater of LGBTQ people. People can do whatever they hell they want as far as I'm concerned as long as they pay taxes like the rest of us. But in my opinion doing what you propose will open up a can of worms. Transgender folks may be using the opposite sex's bathrooms right now and they can get away with that because there are stalls in there, nobody can see them. But making a law stating that they can use ANY facility they choose and completely disregard gender specific facilities on all levels will have transgender men using the womens showers and locker rooms in my book. And I honestly don't think too many women will appreciate that.

    They don't do that now because society won't tolerate that and neither will the law. Just like you said before, if a transgender guy walks into the womens locker room he's probably getting nailed with some sort of indecency charge. Change the law and there is nothing anybody can do about that.

    THAT is the fight I believe will be next if we keep this up. Because as you said it is flat out unconstitutional to have gender specific facilities, so if we abolish gender specific bathrooms then we MUST abolish gender specific showers and locker rooms too. Refusing to do so would be unconstitutional, yes?
     
  18. dadoalex

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    Ahh, the old "slippery slope" argument. Very well then...

    We never had these laws before but now we "need" them and if we don't get them in place quickly then the world will slide into a never ending cycle of men taking showers in the ladies locker room.

    Does that pretty much sum it up?

    As noted, we already have laws that will punish any miscreant of either sex in either type of facility for any aberrant behavior.

    But, let's say we put your desired laws in place. How do you enforce them without massive violations of the 4th, 5th, and 14th amendments. Better yet, how do you enforce it at all?

    Do we hire government 'junk' inspectors and station one outside each public restroom?
    Do we require federal 'junk' registration and issuance of a 'junk' license including a photo of both the face and 'junk' to everyone?
    How about children? If a Dad is taking his 4 yo daughter to the restroom does her 'junk' get inspected too?

    That's your 'slippery slope.'

    You people sometimes amaze me. You're so adamant about reducing government EXCEPT when it comes to government involvement in what goes on in peoples' undies.
     
  19. ArmySoldier

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    There is no problem. You're just saying there is.

    It's very simple. I have you a wiener, you're in the men's room. No one cares about your little feelings. If you don't have a wiener, go in the women's.

    The only one making problems is you.
     

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