REVEALED: Israel’s IDF Used Passenger Airliners as Cover During Christmas Day Attack <MOD WARNING>

Let's play a game. Imagine that we are two conspirators willing to bring down three buildings in the center of a big city, and blame it on a group we don't like. First thing first - we need a list of all materials required to bring three buildings down. We also need a list of all suppliers of such materials. We need the money for all those materials. And a list of people capable of performing the task from scratch - finding and buying supplies, hiding the paper trail of all financial transactions , handling explosives, hiding huge quantities of explosives in all three buildings without being noticed, eliminating the traces of explosives after the fact without being noticed, finding a couple of idiots who can be linked to the chosen group after the fact and who are ready to die in a false flag suicide attack, conducting a propaganda campaign against the group after the buildings are down, convincing intelligence agencies in several countries to believe the terror attack version of events - all this while keeping the secret.

How many people do you think must be involved, and for how long, in such a project?

 

Unlike you I provide sources; you just stick your fingers in your ears and spout crap

 

LOLOL

You do not.

You supply someone's fantasy.
And when it is proven wrong, you don't admit it, you just move to another equally absurd claim.

 

This is funny. The link I provided is the inquiry in March 1968 that came to the conclusion that Israel did not deliberately attack the Liberty. I agree, that conclusion is a fantasy. Nice own goal by you once again!

 

If you had any credibility, maybe people would look at your links.

 

728 pages? No, I didn't bother to read the whole document. I downloaded it.

 

Your own link contradicts your assertion.

I was talking about the CREATION of Israel, not what happened once Israel gained independence on its own.

Please quote the post where I allegedly wrote "that it was OK for Israel to attack the USS Liberty".

I'd appreciate proof that my own opinions and worldview are shared by all the members of my nation.

 

Carry on scoring your own goals LOL

 

Part 2.

Irrelevant. Fact is that US played no positive role in Israel's creation.

Not being allied with a country does not automatically imply being enemy of that country. The inferred premise is yours, not mine.

Please quote the post that allegedly justifies the attack on Liberty. The exact words, not an inference based on your inferred premise.

Again, I didn't say that US was an enemy of Israel, nor that the attack on Liberty was justified. Please don't put words in my mouth, I'm on a diet.

The US was acting more like an enemy of the Soviets than an ally of Israel. We were on the same side because we had a common enemy.

The Soviets were anything but neutral, they actively spread disinformation about Israel, armed and counseled the Arab armies, trained terrorists. Zionism was illegal in the USSR.

 

You running around crying "Fact Fact" - does not make it so.

I posted (complete with link) the history. The FACT is that the region we now call Israel was under control of the British. The fact is that the British did not want to turn the area into the State of Israel ... in fact, the Brit's wanted to limit immigration of Jews into the region.

It was the US that turned them around on this issue - Fact

 

I didn't see British turned around by the US in your quotes and links.

 

Don't blame me for your lack of vision and/or inability to figure out something as obvious as "water is wet".

 

But is water wet?
https://www.brighthubengineering.co...gy/86654-and-now-science-brings-us-dry-water/

Correlation does not imply causation.

 

Doubling down on denial of the obvious That's a step beyond pathetic.

Shall I dumb it down to a kindergarten level for you and choose an example you can understand ? ... such as denial of the claim that the Sun is further away from the earth than the moon.

 

The German, Haavara Agreement is just one of many examples of foreign contributions that enabled the CREATION of Israel but how could the US Government have helped a government that didn't exist?
Why should any ethical government aid bands of zealous, foreign Zionist Terrorist Gangs in their ethnic cleansing land grabs?

By making the false claim that the US was not an established ally of Israel by 1967, you were attempting to justify Israel's deliberate attack on the USS Liberty in a previous post.

If you genuinely condemn what was unquestionably a cowardly sneak attack on relaxing American G.I.s and the subsequent Israeli War Crimes, then I sincerely apologize for misrepresenting your sentiments.
Finally, I very much doubt that your opinions and worldview are shared by all Israelis.

 

You should have focused your attention on the second paragraph of my post, the first being obviously a joke.

Correlation does not imply causation. Just because two or more things happen together or one after another does not mean one causes another. Just because Truman declared his support for Israel does not mean his declaration caused the British to abandon the Mandate. Just because a black cat crossed someone's path before an accident killed the person does not mean black cats cause fatal accidents.

Correlation does not imply causation.

 

Sometimes correlation does imply causation .. depends on how strong the correlation is.

Regardless - the definition of correlation has nothing to do with this. The Brits did not want the state of Israel to exist .. The US was in favor of it.

That the Brits ended up on the US side of the fence is what happened. It is rather obvious - although not directly stated- that the US was a major factor in the Brits coming over to the US side. Sure we could go into the history find more about exactly what happened but, to me it is obvious enough from the information that I do not feel compelled to do this.

Here is the thing .. YOU were the one that made the claim that the US had nothing to do with Israeli statehood. It is not up to me to prove this claim false .. it is up to you to prove this claim true.

What article I gave IMO actually does prove your claim false ... but it is not up to me to do this. It is up to you to prove your claim true.

 

That depends upon many variables not contained in your hypothetical.

Rather than hypotheticals, it is more meaningful to discuss facts.

That you offer a hypothetical in defense of the fact that you have bought into a story based upon a lie and numerous logical fallacies shows just how sad your earlier claim was, repudiating one for buying into a lie and logical fallacy. Pot, meet kettle.

 

They were asked that question many times over the past couple years, that I know of, and did not answer.

 

Yes.

 

Just 11 years earlier, five Israeli planes attacked a British warship during the Suez Crisis.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/written-answers/1956/dec/19/hms-crane-aircraft-attack

And they and the British were actively fighting on the SAME SIDE.

 

Conspiracy mongering is not evidence.

The "Israeli lobby" has repeatedly opposed the U.S. selling advanced weapons to Saudi Arabia but we have for decades. If the "Israeli interests control the federal government and the mainstream media" how is that possible?

 

Grau makes three major claims regarding the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty that I've NEVER seen mentioned anyone else.

Yet he thinks they are true apparently just because some sailors in mortal danger said they were and that unidentified people who claim to have seen transcripts (that apparently no one in an official capacity has ever seen).

1) He claimed that the emergency frequencies used by the Liberty were jammed?

A) If the frequencies were jammed, how was Liberty able to get a distress signal out? Did the Israelis stop jamming just long enough for the Liberty to call for help

2) He claimed the Israelis attempted to shoot down an EC-121 (or EC-131, I can never get the number right). Aside from this thread, I have never heard a word about this claim.

3) He claimed that the Israeli aircraft that attacked the Liberty were unmarked? If they were unmarked, how did the Liberty crew know who was attacking immediately?

 

Why would he lie?

 

HMS Crane was near the Gulf of Aqaba and those Israeli jets were already in combat with an Egyptian ship so nothing like the Liberty event. And it was one run with no serious injuries other than one jet was shot down