Right Wing GOP Has Been Promoting Abortions for 35 yrs

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by merrill, Jul 22, 2015.

  1. Giftedone

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    The raging masses are generally ignorant and lack basic knowledge of Philosophy so it comes as no surprise that many would laugh - as a default response to "I don't understand or I know everything already and that contradicts what I think I know"

    Of course there are options other than abortion. This does not make abortion an irresponsible thing to do. The irresponsible option, in many cases, would be to bring an unwanted child in to the world.

    I am being honest. You can try to argue that having a 14 year old woman (and some fellow) bring a child into the world is a "responsible" thing to do but you have not done so thus-far.
     
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    How much money do taxpayers contribute?
     
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    Abortion cannot and should not be a woman's method of birth control. She should be taking birth control if she is sexually active. If she isn't responsible, then she can give the baby up for adoption. There are plenty of loving couples who would love to have a baby and CAN'T.
    Do these women even know that their baby's body parts are being sold?
     
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    "There are plenty of loving couples who would love to have a baby and CAN'T."

    I don't think there are plenty ....there are some.


    Do these women even know that their baby's body parts are being sold?

    By whom and to whom? Link ?
     
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    Problem is with the "if it feels good, do it" mentality is that it is completely immoral. Sex must be left within the confines of the monogamous marital union between man and woman.
     
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    Why do soon many right wing GOP party members oppose Sex Ed in public schools?

    What is it about Sex Ed that scares them?

    It seems as though the so called right to lifers believe people should not indulge in sex. Yet becoming aroused comes
    natural. Certainly is not an action that is taught.
     
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    Top 10 Shocking Attacks from the GOP's War on Women

    1) Republicans not only want to reduce women's access to abortion care, they're actually trying to redefine rape. After a major backlash, they promised to stop. But they haven't yet. Shocker.

    2) A state legislator in Georgia wants to change the legal term for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to "accuser." But victims of other less gendered crimes, like burglary, would remain "victims."

    3) In South Dakota, Republicans proposed a bill that could make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. (Yep, for real.)

    4) Republicans want to cut nearly a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids.

    5) In Congress, Republicans have a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.

    6) Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids' preschool program. Why? No need, they said. Women should really be home with the kids, not out working.
    7) And at the federal level, Republicans want to cut that same program, Head Start, by $1 billion. That means over 200,000 kids could lose their spots in preschool.

    8) Two-thirds of the elderly poor are women, and Republicans are taking aim at them too. A spending bill would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens.

    9) Congress just voted for a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country.

    10) And if that wasn't enough, Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program. (For humans. But Republican Dan Burton has a bill to provide contraception for wild horses. You can't make this stuff up).

    http://pol.moveon.org/waronwomen/
     
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    Stop the Republican War on Women

    Redefining rape. Attacking the right to choose. Belitting victims of violence. The Republicans are on a rampage attacking women's health and rights this year. And if we don't speak up, they'll keep going. That's why we need to raise a ruckus, and get the word out about the GOP war on women.

    SIGN UP:
    http://pol.moveon.org/waronwomen/
     
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    The real war is coming from the Left. Apparently brain dead Liberals like Merrill don't understand the real history behind PP, that its founder, Margaret Sanger, was an avowed racist and eugenics supporter and admirer of Adolf Hitler. Sorry, Merrill but you lose
     
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    What does that have to do with this?

    http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-info
     
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    Everything PP is nothing more than an unregulated abortion mill. Crisis Pregnancy centers do much more for women than abortion mills do. You support America's Holocaust.
     
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    Medical clinics are hardly unregulated ........ you will find abstinence at the top of the PP list regarding birth control.

    We provide up-to-date, clear, medically accurate information that helps you better understand your sexual health.

    --- Abortion
    Abortion is a safe and legal way to end a pregnancy. Learning more about abortion methods and options can help you decide if abortion is the right choice for you.

    --- Birth Control
    There are many ways to prevent pregnancy. Learn more about birth control, and find the method that’s best for you.

    --- Body Image
    We all have ideas and feelings about how we look. Learning more about body image can help you stay healthy — mentally and physically.

    --- General Health Care
    Are you looking for general health care services? Many of Planned Parenthood's health centers around the country offer the health care services you need.

    --- Men's Sexual Health
    Up-to-date, clear information from Planned Parenthood that helps men better understand their sexual and reproductive health.

    --- Morning-After Pill (Emergency Contraception)
    Planned Parenthood answers your questions about how emergency contraception prevents pregnancy.

    --- Pregnancy
    It's normal to have many questions about pregnancy. Planned Parenthood will help you get all the pregnancy information you need.

    --- Relationships
    Romantic or sexual relationships are one way to connect and share with other people. Planned Parenthood answers your questions about relationships.

    --- Sex & Sexuality
    Do you want to better understand sex and sexuality? Planned Parenthood answers the most common questions about important sexual health topics.

    --- Sexual Orientation & Gender
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    --- STDs
    Infections can be passed between people during sexual contact. Learn more about STD symptoms, testing, treatment, and how to reduce your risk.

    --- Women's Health
    Up-to-date, clear information from Planned Parenthood that helps women better understand their sexual and reproductive health.
    - See more at: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn#sthash.HcNAZf1z.dpuf

    http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-info
     
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    Right-to-Lifers Are Hypocrites -- And Here's Why

    This tacit admission that life is not universally deserved is a crucial crack in their stance against abortion. They don't decry our military engaging in "just" war, in the execution of murderers and terrorists. Ironically for the Tea Party libertarians among them, they don't even object to the right of the state to determine whether some citizens should forfeit their lives for some crimes. But they object to the right of a woman to decide for herself whether her fetus, or even a fertilized egg not yet attached to the uterine wall, should be carried to term. In their thinking, fetuses have done nothing to "deserve" their fate.

    You can't, on the one hand, claim that all life is sacred, and then remain silent when men and women -- some later determined to be innocent -- are executed. That silence is a concession to the principle that the right to life is conditional. One can see this psychology of "deservedness" in the present humanitarian crisis on the border. The angry anti-immigrant placard-wavers are overwhelmingly rightwing, of the very same ilk that decries abortion. The right-to-lifers ringing abortion clinics have not abandoned their posts to run to the border in defense of real woman and children. For "they" do not "deserve" a chance at life in the United States, free from the violence and deprivation they are fleeing. They are "illegal." They "bring disease" (an absurd charge that has become ubiquitous.) By extension, those yearning masses puff up the inner contention of the flag-waving nationalists that being born here is some sort of accomplishment instead of an accident of birth. As if learning English as a toddler was an extraordinary feat of patriotism: Congratulations, your racism comes without an accent!

    If we concede that some life is deserved and some not -- after all, very few liberals cried at the death of Osama Bin Laden -- then we can confront the thorny question of whether some fetuses somehow deserve to live while others do not. I would reframe the issue as whether every child deserves to be wanted, to be welcomed without resentment, to have a mother who doesn't consider her offspring a burden. How many millions have to grow up in poverty, fill our foster care systems, endure sexual, physical and emotional abuse, end up in prison or even on death row for the right-to-lifers to acknowledge that life without sufficient love or resources breeds despair without hope?

    Let me state, for those who are prone to confuse "unwanted" with "unplanned," that I fully support the decision of all women who may have conceived accidentally to bring the birth to term -- whether she brings up the child herself or chooses to provide a loving family with an adoptive gift. Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. The irony, of course, is that those who support a woman's right to choose are also the most fervently pro-access-to-contraception while the right-to-lifers are the most hostile to it, as evidenced in the recent Hobby Lobby decision. This has always made no sense. Those who oppose abortion should be the most passionate in making it as rare as possible.

    The truth is that it is not the right of the fetus to life that really drives them. It is their belief that woman who have sex for pleasure should bear the "consequences" of their decision. The hostility is tangible -- I have the hate-tweets to prove it. For men, not so much. Hobby Lobby had no objection to reimbursing Viagra and Cialis, made no stipulation that it be made available for married men only. The sole purpose of these two drugs is to facilitate sexual pleasure in the male.

    con't
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-olmsted/righttolifers-are-liars-abortion-rights_b_5578700.html
     
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    I know these aren't addressed to me because I'm not part of the GOP, but still wanna chime in here. The sex education should actually start with the parents. Bundled with the talk should be the facts of life. Otherwise, the teacher will give the students their take on life and it may differ from what the parents want their kids to know. Schools should teach the reproductive system as part of the series of systems that include respiratory, circulatory, etc. By this time, the kids should have already had the sex and facts talk with their parents.

    The second part about a political party attacking women should be addressed. When it is addressed, the Democrats would also have to come clean on a new wave of brainwashing where women should fight against the family dynamic.
     
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    "the Democrats would also have to come clean on a new wave of brainwashing where women should fight against the family dynamic."

    Please explain ......
     
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    Yes, this is going to be difficult for me to describe.


    Some women have subscribed to the idea that children and babies are parasites and that aborting a child is self defense. When women believe this, it internalizes a hatred for their own children. The other part is the full-on hatred of men. The new-age feminism is causing major conflicts between men and women. If the woman hates the man and the children, the family will fall apart. There are also women who believe that they can raise the family without the man. Although this may be true, this is not a healthy mindset and children lose out on the masculine-feminine energy in the home. This is the brainwashing I'm talking about, brought to us by the anti-family mindset.
     
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    Quite true. The conservative camp tends to operate according to ideals, expecting everyone to live up to theirs, rather than planning for & acting on real-world facts.

    But hey, what do you expect of people who think that a man was born of a virgin 2,000 years ago and rose from the dead before floating away into the sky?
     
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    Too much nonsense and no substance.
     
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    Dismissive=/=Refutation
     
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    During campaigns the NOT GOP concentrate on character assassinations which is what is taking place as we speak. This keeps the NOT GOP
    off the issues and voters distracted.
     
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    All that propaganda aside, you still haven't addressed the insidious nature of PP. Like I said, try to spin your way out of this one, Hitler! http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm
     
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    It's the insidious nature of conservatives that wage war against women and their right to have rights that disturbs me. Conservatives are all about
    big government intrusion into bedrooms and private lives in general.
     
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    To be fair to conservatives, the opposition is using abortion money to attack them. If I were them, I'd move heaven and earth to defund it.

    The opposition often presents the public with the choice to fund abortions so they're not funding welfare for the potential child. The truth is no one should be making this choice. There really is no need for people to fund welfare or abortions. Pregnancies, except for rape cases, are preventable scenarios. With a nation in over $18,000,000,000,000 in debt, people need to start reining in their reckless behavior and fund their own habits.

    Last, if the Democrats can move the needle on people accepting homosexuality et. al. as normal, then they could also put forth a program on people accepting personal responsibility as normal. They're pretty good at propaganda, it's about time they put their talents to helping drive down expenses.
     
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    Planned Parenthood supporters are not necessarily funding abortions not by any stretch. Planned Parenthood supporters such as my family are supporting
    women's rights and the many medical services that Planned Parenthood provides.

    Birth Control no matter how does keep expenses down. Sex Education can keep expenses down. Making fathers provide for their children whether they wanted these children or not
    would keep expenses down...... go after the DNA and make Dads pay up.
     

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