Ron Paul is building up to something big...

Mostly its the facts that Pauls economic polices are ridiculous and would make the Great depression look nice.
Disband the FED, go back to a gold standard, eliminating, SS, medicare, regulations etc etc

 

Maybe he will make an unexpected showing in another Sasha Cohen film. That would be as big a thing as I would expect from him.

 

Oh, did I give you the impression that I was interested in a debate with a troglodyte? Sorry about that.... Carry on...

 

LOL

1. Nope, he isn't even cutting it.
2. Owebama's the one that cut it. Paul won't!!!
3. It would actually increase according to plan. So he's definitely not eliminating it.
4. Umm, no. Not at all. He's not even cutting it.
5. Guess who the biggest polluter is? Any guesses? Probably Walmart. Maybe GM? Oh, it's probably Chevron!

NOPE!

It's the USA Govt. and Paul's plan actually allows the government to be accountable. Libertarians have the best stance on environmental issues and don't try to dictate the market like President Owebama did with Solyndra!

Obamacare is terrible... Unconstitutional and terrible.

I really enjoy his spending being brought onto us in a form of inflation. Thanks Obama!

I also love his liberty stances. Thanks for vetoing the NDAA and not renewing the PATRIOT Act, closing down Gitmo, and ending our wars...

 

Made up stats with nothing to back them up are fun to post eh?

 

time to demonstrate your intelligence oh wise one.
Demonstrate that Paul wants to do these things. HINT: that would include statements and policy proposed by Paul.

 

I love how people think they can speak for "all you Paul supporters". Arrogance and ignorance mixed together!

 

Same difference.

 

When I read the title of the thread..I thought..

Paul must finally be able to take a dump..

Old age brings that build up to something really big.

Like retiring to a nursing home.
80 years old if elected...I wouldn't let him ride my riding mower.

 

"He wants to cut SS, Medicare/Medicaid!"

No he doesn't...he is for those.

"No he wants to cut them"

Provide proof...

"His economic policy would put us to a 3rd world nation!"

/facepalm

Gotta love when given facts...the mindless slander keeps going...

 

While that looks to be the case today. Will MR actually change anything for the better if he became president?

 

Because he is a threat to both major parties, we can't have that now, can we?

 

So we have nothing but the same form of governance for the past half century in the capitalist west, the U.S has ONE real chance to head in a different direction.

This past century is proof that the current establishment are not financially competent, are proof that both sides of the political swing are serving the same overlords, have proven that no matter how many lies Presidents or Prime ministers spin, the dribbling majority of voters will always vote another one of their kind in, we see foreign policy which to be honest, for the past 10 years at least has not changed, whether there's a Conservative or Labour government, whether it's a Republican or Democrat government, policy has not significantly changed or improved and the establishment have only continued to further the agenda of the established political status quo at the detriment to the voting electorate with the exception of those corporate overlords who benefit from government policy and laws, the corporate overlords who the government serve.

We are in an economic crisis and this has not been caused by Ron Paul's politics, it hasn't been caused by Libertarians, the wars based on false premise were not conducted by Libertarian governments, nor were they conducted by anyone other than the current established political elite, and this elite extends into both left and right, there is no left and right when the establishment is pushing to further secure its hegemony over the freedoms of the individual, until true freedom becomes an illusion, the establishment has failed us, to continue to vote for a failed system is to fail your country and yourself.

We're already on a sinking ship in the west, I don't see any reason for Americans not to vote for Ron Paul and embrace some REAL change, for better or for worse, it can't get much worse than it is now, I think it's time to give someone else had a chance of taking America in another direction before the hole's too deep to climb out of.

 

one system has the governing class providing privilege in exchange for personal gain. The other offers no such privilege.

"same difference" displays your complete ignorance of the topic.
The corporatism has wrecked us, and all you can do is resist the ones who want to eliminate it. Sucker born every minute.

 

This is how propaganda works, by using negative publicity on a popular candidate this candidate will only crow, because it makes people angry.
The system wants to see angry masses, because they use the emotion of the people to gain power (they have you were they want you, lured in their trap called politics, always the same kind of debates, the elections and voting, it all became a ritual, the people are almost robots, go with the system)

The system has made the people feeling fed up by causing all the problems there are today.
Because the most problems can be solved in no time, but the system let the problems exists, for one reason, to let people vote on their candidates.
The people are in serious problems today, masses are believing the politicians and are going to vote in mass.

That something big is not what you want to see, a global empire (or a transatlantic empire, and an Arab union in the Middle East at the same time. If 'American empire' will end the next empire will rise (this is why they tell the people that there is an 'American empire') They not tell you that they take your power (votes) in mass on 6 november 2012 (not any media explains how the German people have lost their freedom, and how Germany became an empire)
The German people have seen almost the same between 1929 and 1940, as what we have seen since 2001 (terror/fear, psychological warfare (red/white/black banners and flags in the streets, today youtube/google, news media do the same (watch the colours of their layouts), propaganda, deception, police in dark uniforms)
Politics and mass media are the big enemies of the people. The people are in deep deep trouble and they can't see how deep (the German people couldn't see their history as well, until it was to late, that was when the end of the process after they had cast their vote in mass)

Voting means making an elite more powerful than before (a century going on), politics is the shield between the elite and people (to protect them, to shield them, politics and election is the trap, they lure you in their trap via deception, fear and propaganda)

 

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/14/fantasia-in-d/
^The VA's government controlled and negotiated drug benefits are 40% cheaper than their private counterparts in Medicare D

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/NationalHealthExpendData/downloads/tables.pdf
^Medicare is 40% less expensive then private health insurance despite having higher approvals and better quality of care.

Social security provides more benefits and 25% higher returns then private sector retirement plans
http://www.epi.org/publication/issuebriefs_ib161-2/

 

My sentiments exactly!

 

By allowing them to operate without regulation and restraint, much like they did in the time period before Teddy and during the Bush admin. The world economy would have huge recessions like the one in 2008 on a constant basis and disenfranchise the common shareholder, thus leading to a smaller economy and rise of ideologies like communism and anarchism while the space between the middle class and the rich widens.

 

The corporatist market is hardly the free market. Nice try, but way off base.

 

Hey Squid - Paul got three more South Carolina senators' endorsements as of today. The GOP is not telling them how to think.

 

Yeah, because what we have now is working out so well as pertaining to the wealth gap. Status quo Rs and Ds have nothing. Name one good thing that has come out of either 2 having control for the last 30 years?

 

or not fully succeeding at least.

 

We started deregulation 30 years ago, it was an answer to a problem that didn't exist. True, we don't have a real free trade market, thank heaven for that. But half of one is bad enough. The answer to the problem is controlled growth and for that we need a viable and reasoned Federal Reserve Bank not controlled by ideologues. We also need to embrace change where needed. Expecting the Nation to recover in 3 years after 30 years of abuse is senseless, it will take another 2 just to de-leverage enough to see light.

 

allowing entities that have obtained significant privilege and advantage over competitors to operate unabated is not "deregulation", it is pure corporatism.

highly privileged entities do not comprise a free market or even half of a free market. In fact it is no free market at all. It is pure corporatism. The government that you expect to regulate the market has granted the privilege and turned the blind eye, leading to the problems we have today. Now you expect them to fix it ? Perhaps humans will change their nature and not exploit positions of power for personal gain. Perhaps they will look out for your best interests this time around. .........It could happen.

 

Dont forget that this thread is from someone who seriously thought that Ron Paul would win South Carolina !!
And Pigs might fly .
And the more I watch The Newt Gindrich ,( the likely winner) , the more I see a potentially very dangerous guy --- albeit a cleverer version of Blair and Bush --- two others suffering from the Messiah complex . imo.