Russia, friend or foe?

Many times I think Trump is trying to convict himself in the court of public opinion.

Telling Junior to tell the media that when he met with operatives from the Russian government they talked about adopting babies is classic Trump. His lawyers just loved it when that revelation became public. One of them, Jay Sekulow, lied about the exchange.

 

I noticed the author didn't address any of the legitimate disclosures concerning Trump. He brought some obscure story about a grand jury in New York no one has ever heard about.

He spoke about extreme left wing liberals that few people pay attention to. "Commands a massive audience and growing influence in liberal America." Very serious questions can be asked about that statement.

The author's views about an extreme left wing conspiracy has nothing to do with legitimate concerns about Trump.

 

How do you know it is not true?

 

It worked for Columbo.

 

Medvedev tweeted, "The Trump administration has shown its total weakness by handing over executive power to Congress in the most humiliating way."

Putin didn't back Trump because he expected favors from Trump. Putin is a savvy realist and he knew that was politically unlikely because of the anti-Russian sentiment in Congress. Putin backed Trump because he thought Trump was a fool and, as President, Trump would weaken the United States both domestically and on the foreign front.

It seems Putin was right about that.

 

Define "it."

 

How do you know what Jr. said wasn't true?

 

Maybe Trump is playing it like Columbo.

 

Russia friend or foe, why does it have to be either/or? Why is McCarthyism raising it's head after so many years?

 

1. If Americans colluded with Putin to rig the election they are traitors.
2. If Americans are colluding with the federal clandestine spy/police agencies to overthrow the government they are traitors.

Fact: It has been clear for some time that 1. Never happened.

“However, let's say the FBI is actually investigating collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian state. That's the most serious possibility, and the one exciting so much public dread.

If it's that, what's at the heart of that case? Why can't we be told what's going on? Operational secrecy would be a believable excuse, were it not for the fact that so much else has been leaked. Intelligence sources even appeared to give up their ability to capture Russian officials celebrating Trump's election win. If something like that can be leaked, and if even foreign governments can be told about "leverages of pressure" Russia allegedly has on Trump, it stands to reason that the American public should have heard what's behind the Trump-Russia investigation by now.”
THE ROLLING STONE, How Did Russiagate Start?, By Matt Taibbi, 5/19/17.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-how-did-russiagate-start-w482262

 

Because of the emails he had to disclose because the Times was going to publish them, and they did.

You didn't know about those? They are the center of a huge controversy right now and proof of collusion between Trump's campaign staff and the Russian government. All of a sudden, instead of denying collusion, now Trump's people are saying collusion wasn't a crime. Trump, who says the "Russia story is total fabrication” and "witch hunt" is clueless. He has no idea what is going on and his lawyers wish he would shut up about Russia and talk about his agenda.

Anyway, here are those emails.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/11/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-email-text.html

 

It is just the title of a thread. It is not a statement.

McCarthyism has nothing to to with this. That is a myth created by Trump's supporters. Trump and his advisors do not use the term ... for good reason.

It is kind of ironic really, an apples and oranges thing. It is a foolish myth that illustrates the desperation of Trump fans.

 

I asked for a source. You are the source. You are the one making those statements, not the Democrat Party, not lefties, not Trump critics, you.

No one I know of has accused Putin of rigging the election. That only stands to reason. You made the statement, not a Trump critic.

There is no speculation involved. That is what the FBI is investigating. That is what Comey said and that holds true today. The special prosecutor has taken over that investigation.

You will have to ask the Republicans in Congress that question. It would appear they are protecting the Republican President. No Congressional committee has made any kind of report even though they have been at it a year. There have been countless secret hearings with secret testimonies and secret documents. The public has not been informed of any of this testimony and the documents remain hidden. Republicans in Congress are hoping this will all blow over if they delay long enough. They want it to just go away.

Then there is election year 2018 and Trump has the approval rate of a loser. Will Republicans wish to join him?

Republicans who claim there is no evidence are being disingenuous. It is Republicans who are hiding the evidence.

 

It is the same type of phenomenon--a mob emotional reaction being stirred up by professional troublemakers.

 

Thinking Russians are evil and anyone even talking to a Russian has to be a Russian operative is McCarthyism. It is possible to have dealing with Russians without being a traitor or turn coat. The left is so stuck on Russia that they ignore our own meddling in others elections in the past. Everyone does it the only difference is that Russia got caught and didn't even have a effect on our election.

 

ABC tries to be impartial?

ABC is by far the most biased of the broadcast channels, and 100% up the DNC's crack.

 

So, you think the Atlantic is just an alt right Fake News source - check. How about Politico?

“The Russia investigation has proved alluring to Democrats for both the seriousness of the allegations and for the angry response it has provoked from Trump. And for Democrats bidding to unseat Republican incumbents — even those who have generally supported the investigation — the various probes have provided a platform on which to yoke Republican House members to Trump.?”
POLITICO, Democrats fear Russia probe blowback, ’We need to talk about what people think about when they wake up in the morning, and it’s not Russia,' said one strategist., By DAVID SIDERS 08/05/2017.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/05/democrats-trump-russia-blowback-241346

Yes, Virginia, there are people in Washington who really want to "unseat" the president. Shocking isn't it?
"Alluring" even - admit it.

But what do those alt right Fake News idiots at Politico know?

 

If only the thread title, and the thread's premise, made ANY sense at all...

Friends are friends, countries are countries. Countries look out for their best interests, friends may consider ours.

 

Precisely.

But the DNC and its operatives are trying to create chaos and destabilize the nation and the world because Hillary lost, and she was all but coronated, and THAT'S NOT FAIR!!!

It's ALL about Hillary, speaking of foes...

 

What exactly do you want a source to prove to you? That the entrenched corrupt bipartisan political class is attempting to engineer a coup? You know that already - it is obvious, and has been acknowledged by the MSM sources you seem to find more credible than the alt left sources that most Trump critics rely on. For instance:

“FROM MSNBC POLITICS shows to town hall meetings across the country, the overarching issue for the Democratic Party’s base since Trump’s victory has been Russia, often suffocating attention for other issues. This fixation has persisted even though it has no chance to sink the Trump presidency unless it is proven that high levels of the Trump campaign actively colluded with the Kremlin to manipulate the outcome of the U.S. election — a claim for which absolutely no evidence has thus far been presented.”
THE INTERCEPT, Key Democratic Officials Now Warning Base Not to Expect Evidence of Trump/Russia Collusion, Glenn Greenwald, March 16 2017.
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16...-to-expect-evidence-of-trumprussia-collusion/

 

I don't watch those networks. I avoid TV news, as it's PURLEY entertainment. I sift through google news, and mainly stray toward local news whenever possible. That's not to say I won't read a CNN or FOX article, but I probably won't take that as the whole story

 

What mob? The investigations into Trump's activities are being conducted by a special prosecutor appointed by Trump's DOJ and four of those investigations are being conducted by committees in the Republican Congress. There are two grand juries, one in Virginia and one in Washington. The progress of these investigations are being closely monitored by every major network, including Trump-friendly Fox News.

All this is a "mob emotional reaction?" That is a very strange assessment.

 

The "mob" consists of you and your fellow travelers, including the media.

 

I see, so the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, ABC, NBC, Fox, etc. are all members of this mob along with a 73-year old retired teacher. Wow, that is some motley crew.

That's right, you voted for Trump. That explains everything.

 

So, where do you get national news you can rely on? I think you are telling me you don't.

Oh, well, each to his own I always say.