Russia is transferring forces even from ... Siberia to the Ukrainian border

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When Donetsk and Lugansk asked to join Russia, Vladimir Putin said no, so I don't know what you're talking about. Also to incorporate even a part of Ukraine into the Federation would cost them a pretty penny since Ukraine's economy was way below that of Russia. Also the mines in Donbass were connected to the factories in Ukraine.

    The minority that Obama and Nuland put into office in Kiev, are from the Western part of Ukraine that belonged to Poland and then to the Austrian Empire. During WWII in order to form their own country, they joined the Nazis and began killing the Poles. The stories are chilling.

    Today these same Western Ukrainians that Obama and Nuland backed, want the Russian lands of Ukraine, and have no qualms about killing the Russians living there the way they did the Poles.


    When Putin closed the border and forced the militias to go to Minsk for a peace treaty, the two republics asked to join Russia and he said no. France and Germany guaranteed the peace together with Russia, yet Kiev has not followed through on anything they signed so that the two republics could rejoin Ukraine.

    The reason Kiev doesn't want them to rejoin Ukraine is because of the demographics. Most of Ukraine was part of Russia, and feels an alliance to Russia. If those two Republics became part of Ukraine again, then the majority of the people would vote for a non Western leaning president.

    So what Kiev wants are the rich lands and minerals of the Donbass, but not the people living on them. That means genocide and ethnic cleansing, something Russia will never tolerate.


    So you're saying that when Kiev starts killing the people in Donetsk and Lugansk to ethnically cleanse them from Russian lands, that Putin will back down because of Nato. You people have no idea what you're up against.


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    when listening to the reverie
    of lands a-far.

    For what I know, it's but a show
    and soon they'll go.

    But not before they suffer dear
    for having poked the Russian bear - Jeannette
     
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    Defending the poor Russians in Donbass sounds like Putin's standard excuse for invasion, so you may be on to something if that's what the talk is in Russia and the Donbass. They've used this both in Georgia and Ukraine already.
     
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    I expect Kyiv wants its territory back from Russian separatists whose thinking has been poisoned by Kremlin propaganda.
     
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    If Kyiv wanted the Republics back, then why didn't they comply with the Minsk agreement?
     
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    Putin should have taken Odessa [and the important Port of Odessa] when he took Crimea.

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    Did the Kremlin claim that they hadn't? Wouldn't surprise me. They lie shamelessly about everything.
     
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    Russia should just take all of Ukraine, and the Baltics while they're at it. Make Russia USSR Again, am I right?
     
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    Maybe Putin is resurrecting the Russian Empire!

    Kiev was the first capital of the Christian Rus.

    In 988AD Rus Grand Prince Vladimir the Great was baptized in Crimea. Then he returned to his capital, Kiev, to baptize the Rus.

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    Just as long as it's done in the name of Christianity, it must be right.

    In reality, of course, Christianity is pure bunk. Jesus never even existed, but is an allegorical figure based on the sun.
     
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    Evil perverted antichrist globalist destroyers may be why Putin is [finally] making his move.

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    What move? To get himself removed from power by a fed-up populace?
     
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    Only God can remove Putin from power.

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    Well, I'm sure he would like to think so.
     
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    Well....he didn't....that was his major blunder.

    I will not be surprised....and I'm hazarding a guess Odessa will make a marvelous NATO base of operations....naval base, Air Force Base, CIA/NSA field offices, much like Frankfurt,Mannheim, Ramstein.
     
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    Platform shoes putinka will die in office.....
     
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    Yes sure....resurrect the Warsaw Pact??

    I hear Czech,Hungary,East Germany are all in?

    Not....different generation....Botox Putinka wet diaper dream.
     
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    Theres no republics.....just illegally occupied territory by the asiatic fiefdom known as Moskolia.
     
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    "Bloggers began noticing trains"???

    Whose these bloggers Jenny?
     
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    How will they do that....they're bogged down in DPR...and Crimea is a quagmire.
     
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    So only 39% is ethnic Russian, 61% is Ukranian 25 % speak ukranian, 40% claim Soviet "identity"....(newsflash to those 40%....1991 called,they want you back!)...so the whole situation is fluid....Ruskomira/Novorooski is an epic fail...as I said before.
     
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    Russia hasn’t taken anything. There are 2 breakaway republics in Georgia, 2 in ‘Ukraine’ and 1 in Moldova.

    The people of Crimea held 2 votes, one in 1991 and one in 2014. Both times they voted for independence. The first time they were forcefully taken by ‘Ukraine’. The second they asked to join Russia.

    One word - Kosovo. A bit naive and much hypocrisy if you don’t think the people of Crimea shouldn’t be allowed to determine their own fate.
     
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    Why would Putin want to remove Putin from power?
     
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    I believe Putin asked himself that question. The answer was no.
     
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    I havn't seen a single comment from ol' ZC ever on this website that didn't include criticising Russia. Now I'm not saying thats their entire purpose here, but ZC complains about Russia more than I complain about gun control. That should tell you something :mrgreen:
     
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