Russia sold about 90% American treasures. Do you know it?

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  1. FrankCapua

    FrankCapua Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So Russia sold some US Treasuries. Someone bought them. I guess Russia needed money. Not a sign of strength.
     
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    Putin shows how it works. China plans to start the same process and the EU under german leadership as well. There is a new tone in the world. The $ should not be the dominant currency anymore.

    No need to panic comrade, just a natural process. Other countries decided its time to not allow the americans to bully anymore. What we currently witness is the demise of a former super power on medium power status. You will survive it but be one under many. Get used to it.
     
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    Its a sign of strength. Selling US treasuries rises interest rates for americans. It also marks the beginning of the end of the $ as world currency. More and more countries look for an alternative to get independend from US.
     
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    No it doesn't. He sold them to another BUYER on the secondary market. Doesn't affect interest rates AT ALL.
     
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    Oh,lol..:), you know for a fact that $US is finished?

    What will oil and commodities be traded in? Rubles maybe? :)))?

    Wishful thinking...sobo:)!
     
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    You show that you have no clue about market. When much papers are thrown on the market, its price collapse and the USA needs to raise interest rates so buyers still get them
     
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    I did not say finished. I say its cut back globally.

    Which is a natural process. What we witness in recent years is that US global influence shrinks. New powers like China emerge and the EU acts more idependend from US interests, openly countering US influence.

    What oil will be traded wth? The €. Some countries already switched to the €. China plans this switch in 2019. Russia and Iran already changed to € to deal oil and gas.

    Its a reasonable decission. You surely understand that now that the western alliance ended, countries like Germany must think about their own national security and distance from the $-System.
     
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    Oil & commodities will be traded in $US for the foreseeable future, I just don't see Euros having the same effect as $US.
     
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    When Russia sold t-bills it sold them for USDs. And it was just an exchange in secondary market.
    You better go study German criminal law. You are not good at economy and banking.
     
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    Once a t-bill is sold, whatever happens to it makes no difference to the US.
     
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    What difference does it make if EU buys it’s gas from Russians for euros, which are then immediately exchanged to rubles by Russians versus you buying USDs then buying gas and then Russians getting rid of USDs on receipt because they need their rubles?
    I hope you are better at law than at economics.
     
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    I doubt it. They are worth ignoring. The best might be interesting.
     
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    Obviously better than you, since the DB clerly stated what i said, that the selling of large scale treassuries raise the interest rate of new published papers, When the market is flooded.

    If China would do the same, USA would collapse as a state.

    In general you should do something about your gigantic debt. Germany is reducing debt, makes no new debt and has enormous budget surplus. The papers we issue even have a negative interet rate, which means people pay Germany so it accepts their money. They do this because Germany has one of the highest ratings in the world.

    The debt you have on your shoulders drags your country down. Thats a simple fact, if you like it or not.
     
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    The difference can be seen on Iran. By dealing in € the US payment systems are cut out and your sanctions run into the wall. Its the main reason why Germany still can buy large amounts of iranian oil. We use german Raiffeisenbanks, which dont deal with $ and have no US business.Because of that your sanctions have zero effect on them and the Iran deal can be hold alive no matter if you like it or not.

    Russia faces similar problems. The new Nordstream 2 pipeline from Russia to Germany is under thret from US sanctions. By cutting the $ out of business and creating companies not active in the american market, the sanctions can be avoided and neutralized.
     
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    The USD cannot exist without debt. That’s just something you seem to not be able to understand.
    China holds 5% of all. Russia’s drop had no affect, only Russians themselves noticed it. If China drops it, I’d predict at most a 0.25%-0.5% interest increase.

    The end of the USD threads pop up regularly every one-two weeks. We were supposed to collapse after Iran stopped selling oil in USDs (I was under impression that it wasn’t even allowed to use USDs, but for some trolls here it doesn’t matter), then after China stopped buying oil using USDs, then there was something about Libia, then threats that when Russia sells US t-bills we will capsize, then Russians sold t-bills with no affect on anything you come and make your wise predictions.
    Life just goes on. Haters are going to hate and continue to predict the end of the USA, while we all live our lives here unaffected by your predictions and are being stubbornly stable unlike many rivals that want our demise.
     
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    The problem is, you cannot get rid of USDs. To do that you need to remove everything American from the EU, something that, as discussed in another one of your dick measuring contest threads, you simply cannot do.
    Yes, you can have a separate sanction bank, that only deals with sanctioned entities and has nothing to do with the US. Everyone knows about it. The problem is, one day you might need a favor from us, and because of such actions you won’t be given one.
     
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    If you cant exist without debt you have no right to exist at all. You make yourself dependend on others.

    What you seem to not understand is, that i give a **** if you die or exist. What many nations worldwide want, is to cull US influence back and thats happening right now.

    You wont die, you simply become one of many actors in the world.

    The current events show that. The majority of plans from trump fail., because he overestimated US international power.

    I must admitt i overestimated it as well. I did not expect that the EU simply gives a **** and issues counter meassures.

    In the future will be 3 blocks, USA, EU and China. Russia propably as military power, even so economical weak.

    In the 80th for example it would have been impossible to build a pipeline from Russia to Germany against US will. Now US demands are simply ignored and business between Germany and Russia
    proceeds as planned.

    In a way its a positive development. You stand for America first and i´m sure you too understand that for us its important to push for Germany first and proceed deals against any foreign interventions, s long we profit from it. Regarding that we start to move into a better era.
     
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    Same counts for you. You have a problem with "Germany first" politics"?

    Your sanctions against iranian oil made it very cheap. Iran struggles to find customers and Germany is their only large customer beside China. This guarantees us cheap gas prices.

    Same counts for Nordstream 2. The pipeline will be build. Infact construction already has began few days ago.

    What i have problems with to understand is, that you one one side defend "America first" but on other side dont understand "Germany first".
     
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    Do you realize that total EU debt is 83% of GDP? Are you going to pretend it’s not German or that germany has nothing to do with it?
    According to your own claims, the EU should not exist.
    As for the rest of your gibberish - you can do whatever you want, no one really cares. You want to stick your head into Russian gas trap - go for it. Just don’t come and cry when Russians start to squeeze that rope around your neck.
     
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    90%-95% of total US Debt is owed to itself (one part of government owes to another), to Federal Reserve and to US residents. Federal Reserve alone has 5 times of what china has in t-bills.
    The US government serves US residents and it is dependent on them. Do you see anything wrong with that? I don’t!
     
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    German debt is consequently reduced to 64,1% in last years and shrinking more and more

    https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/government-debt-to-gdp/forecast

    yours rises and is over 105% now

    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp

    And please...the russian gas trap? trump said publicly he only wants us to buy american LNG gas. Thats his concern and nothing else. Your worries for germans ecurity are cute regarding that.

    You only think about your own benefits, which is ok. Its just laughable that you get all salty when others do the same.
     
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    The German government serves german residents and is dependent on them. Do you see anything wrong with that?

    You have a problem with the fact Germany pulled its gold from USA and located it back to Germany?

    You have a problem that the German government tries to get the cheapest energy possible for its citizens?
     
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    Germany uses euros, just like all other countries that use euros. So, total EU debt is whats important, not just German.
    If euros were to be discontinued you’d find yourself owing a heck of a lot more than you think. That’s because you don’t understand how new currency is made and injected into circulation. Being the largest economy of the EU you’d take on a heck of a lot more on the credit side of each created euro than you think. ;)
     
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    1st question - of course not.
    2nd question - what’s yours is yours.
    3rd question - as a member of NATO by giving Russia, a potential enemy of the block, an ability to influence you, yes, you create a situation where you cannot act in the blocks best interest. Hey, why don’t you leave NATO? Then it won’t be a problem. Why can’t you diversify your sources? Because now it’s either gas from Russia via Ukraine and gas from Russia via Baltic Sea. Source is same. You hurt Ukraine more than benefit yourself. And if you think Russia doesn’t use its gas to blackmail you into submission you need to read the history of the last 25 years.
     
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    "Cheap energy"....for its citizens??

    Well see how "cheap" that energy becomes when the Muscovites start to put the squeeze on Germany....:), don't think they won't, sobo.
     

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