Russia's Government talks about Release of E.T. data.

4th...here is Astronaut Edgar Mitchell telling the U.S. President about Alien Craft.

LINK...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll9tgImSMWM

AboveAlpha

 

4th...Astronaut Story Musgrave talking about Alien Entities during Shuttle Mission STS-61

Do you really think all these Astronauts are lying?

AboveAlpha

 

No, because of your... "work" you post descriptions of events beyond my citizen experience. You expect blind trust which is a lot to ask considering I can't confirm your stories (not just this topic but in general), that's a logic fail, so we can never really be on the same page of what is the reality of the issues.

And you are in a mentally dangerous position yourself. Specifically, you have inside experience in how the Government runs itself covertly. But, your descriptions of your... "jobs" don't seem to indicate work in the types of fields that would give you access to special UFO knowledge.

In my perception, you WANT this to be true. So, now your mind is free to create all sorts of mental fictions extrapolated out based on the things you already have access to in your non-related field. Well, as they say, even a scientist is no better than the uneducated when forming opinions in a field of study that isn't their specialty.

BTW, I don't think that you think it's just a post of fantasy. I also think this is you getting more comfortable with posting on the forums, which is good. But, don't expect us to go easy on you when you expect us to make a big leap to believe stuff.

Anyway, I think you already know my opinion about why many governments are releasing their UFO and Alien craft files, but to review, it's that decades ago this was an act to hide experimental aircraft designs, but now these same governments just don't care anymore about secrecy on some old photos/videos. They don't contain any valuable secrets.

 

You can believe whatever you would like as I have no need or desire or necessity to convince people of what I might know or do.

What I know of this particular topic is something I really wish I did not know and I can understand your doubts as they are completely justified.

Now that's out of the way...why do you think the U.S. seems to be the only country that has not released a large amount of E.T. specific data?

AboveAlpha

 

Since you are of the mindset that UFO sightings were specific to secret USAF Programs I thought I might share something with you and perhaps we will see just how informed you might be.

In 75 Lockheed and I believe Northrup had just been given the thumps up to develop an aircraft designated the XST or Experimental Survivable Testbed and test it at the Groom Lake Facility commonly known as Area 51.

The Northrup designed and developed Aircraft was known to us as...SHAMU due to it's air frames similarity with a friendly Orca in San Diego.

Lockheeds aircraft was nicknamed the HOPELESS DIAMOND...LOL!

Now I will tell you a few things but not too much as it might be possible to Google some of this information if I give you too much detail.

One of the two companies aircraft was declared victor and a code named program with two words with the first word starting with a H and the second word starting with a B....was designated and the first demonstration flight programs began in the spring of 1976.

This particular Ultra-Top Secret Program test flights at Groom Lake was responsible for a HUGE number of UFO Sightings and this program was so secret that even initial Engine Runs done in a California facility were done with the engine placed between two tractor trailers with a Camouflage net covering them over the top.

Let's see if you can tell me the name of the wining company....tell me the name of the program...and tell me the name of the final resulting aircraft designation that this program resulted in.

Let's see what you know.

AboveAlpha

 

Just a wild stab, on going treaties with ET?

Ive been following the thread, watching the material provided and previous research ive done, i must say theres does appear to be something going. The sheer number of accounts by very highly credible sources i find it hard to dismiss them all. I'll likely remain skeptical until i see one myself, but i wont be entirely shocked either.

 

All very true; it would take a radio signal over 4 years, travelling at the speed of light, to reach us from our nearest star, Proxima Centauri. Now, given that there are star systems out there thousands, millions and billions of light years distant, it doesn't take much skill to figure out how long it would take signals-or space craft-to reach us, or even find us, even if 'they' knew what to look for, and where.
A star formation was recently discovered; this 'group' of stars is 4 billion light years across; so a space craft travelling at approaching light speed (186,000 miles per second), would take 4 billion years to cover that distance.
Given these unimaginably vast distances what is the likelihood that our tiny, insignificant speck has been visited?

 

I am very interested to know official details about the Voronez incident

 

According to the link attached, the 'space ship' had Cyrillic lettering on it. http://www.ufocasebook.com/Voronezh.html
An alleged alien spacecraft with Russian lettering? Why?

 

Tens of people saw the aliens coming out of the ship and a teenager was zapped in and out of the physical world , the Cyrillic lettering is probably an urban legend or just sauce added later.

 

I suggest the whole episode is a fabrication.

 

Because the USSR could greatly benefit by accepting that their air and ground defences can be infiltrated by knobheads (alliens had heads like knobs) with remote controls , highly unlikely .

 

Il think we been visited by aliens sometimes. But how to prove that? Surely, we not alone in the universe and surely we not the most advanced in the universe' s civilisations after 13,5 billion years.
The biggest question is "how to go faster than speedlight?" Coz the question is here.

 

You need to understand the difference between an unidentified flying object, and an 'alien' spaceship. The former only corellates to the latter using the imagination. No proof of intelligent extra-terrestrial life exists in the public arena, and it doesn't take much of a stretch to figure that 'aliens' and 'space ships' are godsends to those whose covert military technology needs to remain covert. A very handy diversion.

 

Then why do you not know about this?

How do they achieve this, and what source of power do they use?

They must surely also have something that equates to ''propulsion'' to enable them to fly around, after having ''instantaneously'' traveled from one point in the universe to another - if indeed that's what happens.

While I am interested in rational explanations and discussion, I don't give any credence whatsoever to any claims about any ''JOB,'' and I don't see the point in making such claims in the first place. On an internet discussion forum where participants only know each other by their usernames, only supported claims have credence.

I am particularly interested in ''Y shaped'' UFOs such as these:

(Illustration based off of witness testimony by Michael Schratt.)

Searching google for UFO sightings in the same town reveals several reports of more incidences. For example:

Here's the guy who was in charge of investigating those and other sightings:

[video=youtube;6Je3vlCAltI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Je3vlCAltI[/video]

The reason I'm particularly interested in ''Y shaped'' UFOs, is because as I was driving north through Southern Scotland (on the M74) one dark evening on the way home from a ''job'' around 10 years ago, my colleague in the passenger seat pointed to something off to the right of the road up ahead, and said ''what the #### is that''? I looked and saw a ''Y shaped object'' like the ones in the illustration above, which appeared to have just risen from behind some trees. Each of the three sections of the Y appeared to be identical, and were rectangular box sections with 90 degree edges, each comprising of three metallic looking white / light grey sections, one at either end and one in the middle, which were separated by two equal sized sections which simultaneously pulsed bright red.

More or less as soon as I looked, the craft ''fell'' out of the air seemingly in free-fall, and disappeared behind the trees again. I assumed it was going to crash into the ground. For a few seconds we saw the trees and the ground brightly illuminated by the pulsating red glow, then it rose up again just as it had done the first time.

The open end of the ''Y'' that appeared to be the front of the craft - going by the way it subsequently flew - was pointing vertically upwards as it rose from behind the trees. Then in one smooth movement which lasted for a couple of seconds, it tilted 90 degrees and ''surged'' - for want of a better way to describe it's motion - into forward flight at perhaps 200mph, with the part of the Y that had been pointing upwards, now pointing in it's direction of travel.

It flew right by us only a few hundred yards from the side of the road, much lower and closer than the illustrated UFOs in the picture above. As I turned my head to watch it, it made a smooth left turn and disappeared behind a hill.

The strange things was - as if that wasn't strange enough - is that when it flew by us, clear as day, it no longer appeared to be ''Y shaped,'' as if the two leading (in it's direction of travel) parts of the Y had come together, as it now looked like one rectangular box section comprising of five metallic looking white / light grey sections: the one in the middle being twice the length of the others, and four sections that were flashing bright red. Although this could have been because it wasn't very high off the ground and the road we were on is elevated slightly on the side of the hill opposite the hill it disappeared behind, we were looking at it more or less side-on, and couldn't see the far section of the Y.

There was nothing that I could see which remotely resembled any kind of rotor or engine, and we didn't hear any sound coming from it. While I fully realise that what the public gets to know about some technological advances is years behind what the military etc knows, this thing didn't even remotely resemble any kind of flying machine that we know has been developed here on earth. If we had technology like this, then I don't see why we would be messing about with planes, helicopters and space rockets etc.

There was other traffic on the road at the time, and although I searched the internet when I got home and have searched it periodically ever since, I have never seen the point of reporting the sighting to any official body, as I have no evidence to support it.

Equally, while this is just another unsupported claim by an unknown person, to everyone here, I am personally 99.9% convinced that extraterrestrial UFOs are real.

But I don't see why any extraterrestrial being would necessarily have made actual contact with any human, and a species capable of travelling to and around planets in other solar systems, would also presumably be capable of building artificial intelligence to do whatever it is they want to do when they get there. Heck, we're barely out of the trees and we're already sending rovers to Mars.

 

Quite likely, that data is on the back burner as a second, or tertiary priority. And, they don't care enough to make an effort to push the ET files out into the light yet. Though, the USA might eventually get around to it just to get a one-up on other countries who are releasing info.

Yet, all things having to do with space exploration have NOT been popular in Washington DC, or in the general public opinion, for years now. I don't know if you've noticed but the NASA space program has been on the downhill road for years now: underfunded, the end of the shuttle program, ect. Probably, the Challenger shuttle disaster started the downwards trend in space popularity, and the Columbia explosion was the last straw about the viability of outer space exploration beyond launching probes and crunching numbers.

Sorry, AboveAlpha, I don't know any of those things for sure. Aircraft trivia was never an interest of mine.

If I were to guess from the codenames, Hopeless Diamond sounds like it has sharp edges, like a Nighthawk stealth plane. While Shamu, being orca shaped, sounds like the design lineage of fighter jets and popular drone images -- That's assuming I'm correct in thinking the orca shape is a wide front cockpit curved to a smaller back.

At first, I would guess Lockheed won just because of the unconventional look of stealth planes (it would be easy to fool people of the time into reporting UFOs), but I also remember the term "victor" on TV before (Discovery channel or something), and that show was describing a fighter jet NOT the Nighthawk (that special design is unique and sticks out). Though, I could be wrong here because my memory is bad about things I don't care about.

So, I guess the winner was Northrup. The H.P. program name was Harrier Base, and, not knowing much about Aircraft, I have to go with the result of F-series fighter jets.

 

I have a friend who works in secret service in France (Renseignements Généraux). After read "rapport cometa- Les OVNI et la Défense : À quoi devons-nous nous préparer ?" (the first ministry Lionel Jospin under Chirac has read this book), the book said "secrets services all over the world work about this phenomen". Also i' ve asked to my friend the truth (he doesn' t work in UFO' service). He answered me "yes P..., a service study this phenomen, don' t laugh". Il must say i' m not fantasist and my friend doesn' t care at all about UFO (OVNI in France or PANd ) coz' he' s cartesian and he ignores esotericism.

 

I should never have mentioned the TREATY...but yes...several exist.

AboveAlpha

 

The speed of light is 186,282 miles per second in normal space/time.

A craft cannot travel at such velocities as any object of mass moving at such velocity would become INFINITE IN MASS thus Matter cannot obtain Light Speed Velocities.

E.T. uses a GRAVITIC DRIVE which allows them to Fold Space/Time.

Thus they travel ONE DIMENSIONALLY.

AboveAlpha

 

Well maybe the alien astronaut's wife cut the brake-wire on the flying saucer.

 

Lights could be handy for loads of stuff. You could use them for landing, or to look at space-rocks to see if there's any shiny minerals on them that that you want, or navigating your way through an asteroid field, or signal messages to other spaceships etc. A lot of places in space are dark.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronezh

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Voronezh.html

https://www.google.com/search?q=vor...ix4APhrIAY&sqi=2&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=67

Voronez incident was detailed by TASS as part of an over all program by various Soviet and Russian groups to inform the Soviet and the Russian population about E.T. craft and visitations and often over state some Soviet or Russian specific Alien Events such as the Voronez incident and in particular the 3 eyes.

In the late 1990's a GRU report that was made public by the Russian's was examined by the NSA, CIA and DIA in which all three U.S. Intel. Agencies determined this GRU report to be legitimate and not disinformation.

The GRU report documents a specific effort by the KGB, GRU, Soviet Military branches and Leadership along with various Soviet Media groups of which TASS is a part and which TASS also played a significant role in this Soviet Program.

During the 1980's and right up and through the Fall of the Soviet Union and creation of the Russian Federation a systematic and detailed effort was in effect to make the Soviet and Russian populace take a deep interest in E.T. visitation, Alien abduction cases and THE U.S. ROSWELL EVENT.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/676970/thumbs/r-ROSWELLHEADLINE-large570.jpg

The Voronez incident

Soviet media ans Soviet Television Specials had many multiple shows detailing everything about the American Roswell incident in The July 8, 1947 and the much coverage was dedicated to the edition of the Roswell Daily Record which indicated that the military had found a flying saucer in New Mexico.

A joint CIA/NSA investigation into this Soviet and the Russian secretive service disinformation and information program had come to the conclusion that this extensive Soviet Media coverage of the Roswell incident which was to a factor of 10 times the coverage that U.S. Television and media had provided the U.S. Population...was for the sole purpose of at first creating a line of logic that would later back an excuse that the reason that the Soviet Union would dissolve which the Soviet Secret Services had concluded was inevitable even if their own Communist Party and Leadership would not admit it to themselves...the reason advocated to the Soviet Population would be that to continue to build more and better weapon systems to counter President Reagan's unprecedented U.S. Military buildup which had bankrupted the Soviet Economy...would be a waste of time and resources as Soviet T.V. on almost a DAILY BASIS was telling the people of the Soviet Union that the United States Military had captured Alien Space Craft, Alien Bodies and Alien Ultra-High Technology so even though the Soviet Media never actually came out and said it on T.V....they would have a show every other night or a News Report very often where a Soviet Air Force Officer or a Soviet Scientist or a Soviet Intelligence Agent would be interviewed on T.V. by a member of a Soviet News Group and one specific question would be asked to all these people.

That question would be....Are you worried that because the American Military has in it's possession captured Alien Ultra-High Technology and Alien Craft, Bodies and Materials such as Metals....that President Reagan's Star Wars or Strategic Defense Initiative is a direct result of the United States re-engineering such Alien Technology and SDI could render our Soviet Nuclear Ground Based Missiles, Sub launched Missiles and our Nuclear Bomber Force USELESS?

EVERY TIME a Soviet Scientist or Military Officer was asked this question their answer would be...."Da!".

They were PREPARING the HARDCORE COMMUNIST REVOLUTIONARY SUPPORTERS within their own population for the coming COLLAPSE OF THE SOVIET UNION.

It didn't matter whether the U.S. Military had re-engineered such technology the only thing that mattered to the Soviets was they knew their Union was collapsing and by providing their Communist Population with an EXCUSE such as this one as such an excuse would make even the most Hardcore Communist say..."Well...we did our best but nobody can fight a country that possesses 10,000 year or more in advancement to our own Alien Technology.

The Voronez incident did happen but it was grossly OVER STATED and thus it is hard to get a real feel for what the true reality is as far as this event.

Hope that helped.

AboveAlpha

 

HONESTLY!

Do you actually think I am not aware of the thousands of reported UFO sightings that were nothing more than a variety of natural phenomena, Commercial or Military Aircraft or Stellar or Planetary bodies?

I would estimate that over 98% of all UFO sightings are of this nature as well over 99.9% of all abduction reports are fake.

However....E.T. is a REALITY.

This is not my opinion nor am I just guessing.

I KNOW this to be a FACT and I KNOW this with 100% Certainty.

I wish I did not.

AboveAlpha

 

Watch the video of Buzz Aldrin's testimony about seeing UFO's on the Apollo 11 Mission.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/ufos-on-the-moon_n_2482840.html

Buzz Aldrin being the second man to walk upon the Moon was considered too high profile a public figure of trust to be allowed to be detailing stories about the reality of Alien Life.

This video shows Aldrin detailing out one UFO or Alien Encounter during the Apollo 11 Lunar Landing Mission. This interview occurred BEFORE the NSA came down upon Aldrin like the Right FIST OF GOD.

AboveAlpha

 

Scotland is a staging area for Highly Secretive U.S. Air Force Aircraft and Weapon Systems.

As example during the 1980's before anyone knew the Have Blue Program run out of Groom Lake or Area 51 by Lockheed the CIA and the U.S. Air Force produced the F-117 Nighthawk known by some of us as the HOPELESS DIAMOND! LOL!

We were flying F-117 Recon RIGHT OVER EASTERN EUROPE AND THE EASTERN SOVIET UNION....and they had absolutely no idea.

The Y shaped aircraft are not Alien in origin.

As far as how is E.T. achieving enough energy to Fold Space/Time...most people would blurt out..."OH! I know! It is a Matter/Antimatter Reaction!"

The thing is there is not enough Antimatter in our Universal Reality to be used in a Matter/Antimatter reaction to generate enough Energy directionally to be used to represent enough Matter that would Warp Space/Time to the degree necessary to allow a Craft to JUMP hundreds of Light Years from Solar System to Solar System.

Although what I am about to say has been stated by now dead...Bob Lazar...LINK...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar

Read what is in this link as well...http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Gravity_Generator.htm

This next link details how an Isotopes of Element 115 creates a Strong Force of Gravity...as Gravity is usually known as the WEAK FORCE....and the bonds between Hadron's in an Atomic Nucleus are called the Strong Nuclear Force...but look at the link...http://www.grantchronicles.com/lazar.htm

AboveAlpha