Seattle’s Wage Mandate Kills Restaurants

Conservatives have been conned into cheering for the wealthy against their own interests (opposing minimum wage increases that would help them, in this case). Just incredible.

 

You might want to actually talk to the servers themselves next time.. A large min wage increase will actually hurt them.

 

Welcome to the future.
It's the same thing the robots did to manufacturing. It's just moving into the service industry now.
Trucking tomorrow.

 

Yes, I'm sure. More money for your labor is a terrible thing.

 

How do you figure people tipping far less if not stopping all together is making more for you labor... Think before you post.

 

Stores in Minnesota are likewise moving to automated checkouts. It's not minimum wage that is to blame. It is the reality of the technology that makes it so much more economic for the company. You would have to reduce employee wages to an absurd low to compete with that. It is untenable to oppose minimum wage increases just to try and cling on to jobs when the result is wages no one can realistically rely on to get by anyway.

This is why the message of Andrew Yang is so important, incidentally. Automation is threatening all sorts of jobs, and not just replacing people, but helping to force wages and salaries down as well. All the while, US corporations are only raking in greater and greater profits, and the working class is not seeing the benefit.

 

Never been a fan of compulsory tipping anyway. It should be something you do for great service, not something you do to make up for the restaurant underpaying its staff.

 

I figured you were a poor tipper .

 

No, and this isn't about me. Let's stick to the topic now.

 

I have been.. A good server will make far less with a large min wage increase due to lower tips. Never mind a much larger payroll burden for the company in a field where margins are small to begin with.

 

In their defense. If you live in Mississippi $15 probably seems pretty silly.

 

Really?
When I calculate the tip I usually do it on the bottom line.
Then it's plus or minus based on service.

 

And you will do the same with a large min wage increase? I doubt it.

 

Facts not in evidence, the link to the study does not work, and I gave you our median wages from the BLS. What is the value of the assets the CEO is responsible for compared to that of the janitor? You've been avoiding my question to you for pages, how petty no you ask me.

 

I didn't pick the two formerly highly successful restaurants or two of the most well known restauranturs for the article I cited.

Because being a waiter or waiteress is a sales job and the tip is your commission paid by the customer for doing a good job and they make more because of it.

How about they would tell you to take a hike and mind your own business they don't want a cut in pay.

No one is forcing them except the government.

 

I will and I did.
It's a nit. The cost of labor is only about 25% of the cost of a meal. So if you were spending 10 for a meal 2.50 might be labor. I might grumble about my 12.50 meal, but the added 50 cents on the tip won't make a big impression.

 

Not my problem you aren't paying attention to the campagins.

They pay WHAT THE JOB IS WORTH, why do you struggle with that economic reality?

What do you think I'm missing? Again what do you believe CEO's do and why they are paid so much?

If they underpay then another company will hire their good workers from them and define "underpay", what determines what the job will pay?

Who caused the bankruptcy when it was a financial collapse? And again LOTS of CEO's lost their jobs but LOTS got bonuses because they managed the company through such a crisis and did so successfully. Again you do not understand what CEO's do and why they are paid what they are paid you're just envious of them.

Give me some names and specifics.

If you have something to say then say it.

I doubt the average at the 40% mark is much less and again the link to the study you are trying to cite does not work so I have no idea what they are measuring and how. Is that just the wage or does that include tips for service workers for instance? And those are only wage earners not 40% of the workforce. When was the survey done? Does it include OT pay? Does it include commissions for retail sales? Does it include temporary? Part-time? What is the cost of the benefits they receive compared to other countries where they are taxed for them?

 

I don't find "Welcome to the future" a valid excuse for government abuse of power and overreach. Lets not pretend that automobiles are the result of buggy registration fees and horse taxes.

The reason I tip big, even for poor service, is that I know its not the servers fault. Someone called in sick and they are struggling to keep up. The last thing I would want is to make their day even worse with a bad tip, or no tip. Expect the food to be more expensive and the service to be slow. If that changes how you tip, you can no longer claim to have a genuine concern for the worker or their rate of pay.

 

See the section that I bolded and underlined...

... under the Constitution, not over it.

 

Cases Arising Under the Constitution, Laws, and Treaties of the United States
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And another

Rantz: Celebrated Seattle restaurant to close, killed by rising costs and minimum wage

James Beard award-winning chef Matt Dillon will close his much-beloved restaurant Sitka & Spruce at the end of the year, citing increased costs of doing business in Seattle.

A recipe for a shortage of Seattle cooks

“In order to buy great product and pay a great wage that people can live on in our city … the math just doesn’t work,” Dillon told The Seattle Times food writer Bethany Jean Clement.

“There’s gonna be a reckoning, big-time,” he continued. “I don’t think it’s gonna be pretty.”

The news came as a shock to loyal customers and former workers, like Simone Pitzka Barron.The Jason Rantz Show on KTTH.
“Dillon was doing this as good, if not better than any restaurant I’ve worked in — if he can’t do it, I’m not sure anyone who has a restaurant in the same vein will be able to pull it off,” Pitzka Barron told . “He was navigating the min[imum] wage law as good as anyone. We were paid min[imum] wage plus had a tip line (tips on top). The fact that he is closing makes me scared for the rest. The law never addressed how employers were to deal with these increases. When you cut into a razor thin margin, it creates an instability.”
https://mynorthwest.com/1536621/rantz-celebrated-seattle-restaurant-closes-minimum-wage/

 

SCOTUS does not have the power to interpret the Constitution.

 

I live in Iowa, a very modest COL state, and in Iowa a single person qualifies for SNAP at $1666 per month. Now a single mother with one child needs to make less than $2200 for SNAP benefits . The math plays out to $9.25 per hour, and thats ONLY for SNAP. Rent subsidies require an even greater income. $15.00 per hour accounts for all forms of government assistance.

Now the tipped wage is a completely and totally different critter. And I do agree that most waitress' make pretty good tips, but it also very much depends on where you're eating as to the size of the tip. I always tip well for good service, BUT my point is, and always has been, WHY should patrons who were already paying for the food subsidize the owner paying lower wages ? Why does one industry get a carve out for that ? Hell, Burger King payed tipped wages for years.

 

Yeah, I know.
You will see it when you believe it. right?
I'll refer you to the earlier post about how you need to look elsewhere.

 

Again 1 out of 16,000 is where you hung your hat

No its not. But to prove your point I’m sure you can show me the carve out for sales people.......

Who said that tips would stop ? Tips are not a guarantee, they are a subsidy

How is the government forcing customers to pay ? They ARE of course, forcing them to be paid less.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]