Serious question -- what do Trump supporters think the citizenship question was supposed to DO?

More important, it allows us to avoid including non-citizens in the final tally.

No, the purpose of the census is to gather population data so as to determine the number of Representatives alloted to each state.

 

I am not going to look it up to double check the accuracy of the claim, but an article I glanced at today claimed that electoral college votes are based on the population number of citizens in each state and that by eliminating any questions about citizenship the Left theoretically gains just that much by way of political power -- if one supposes that most infestations of illegal aliens occur in Dem Party dominated states; which in turn means more bodies COUNTED as citizens for electoral college purposes even if they are not citizens. I dunno. Maybe this is true and maybe it is not; but there is a reason that Obama eliminated the citizenship question and considering the nature of his 'ethics' it was probably not in this nation's best interests.

 

Trump has placed his DOJ in an impossible position. First of all, the DOJ and the current Secretary of Commerce, Wilbur Ross, had already signed off on the citizenship question on the census and began printing the forms without the question pursuant to a Supreme Court decision on the issue. This changed with a Trump tweet, then Trump decided he wanted to change lawyers within the Justice Department.

The courts shot Trump down again. A federal judge in New York has denied a request by the Trump administration to replace its legal team in a lawsuit challenging the addition of a citizenship question to the 2020 census.

U.S. District Judge Jesse Furman called "patently deficient" the Department of Justice's effort to change out the lawyers, who have been working on the case for more than a year.

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/07/7393...-team-behind-census-citizenship-question-case

The DOJ legal team is forced to say that everything they have said so far is in error -- including the July 1st deadline -- and they still must come up with a legitimate reason, not a political reason, for the question to be included on the census.

Judges don't like it when lawyers change their tune after the dance is over.

And the dance is over. Trump just doesn't know it.

 

Again I ask for a source. Do you have one?

 

Trump shot himself in the foot.

Holding his usual news conference on south lawn of the White House with the usual background noise from the usual Marine One forcing everyone to shout, Trump said you need the census citizenship question “for many reasons.”

“Number one, you need it for Congress — you need it for Congress for districting,” Big Mouth said Friday. “You need it for appropriations — where are the funds going? How many people are there? Are they citizens? Are they not citizens? You need it for many reasons.”

Take note of that first one. The redistricting rationale was not used by government's case for good reason. Redistricting was the main reason the Supreme Court shot down the government's case. The plaintiffs in the case argued that this is a thinly veiled attempt by Republicans to gain a potential game-changing tool in redistricting.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote, "Accepting contrived reasons would defeat the purpose of the enterprise." "Contrived" is judicial code for lying. The true purpose was redistricting for GOP benefit, and the Trump administration lied in its brief.

Mouth admitted it at his news conference. How stupid can you get.

 

That is false. It is based on the number of people in a state, according to our Constitution.

Don't believe me? Ask Trump. Why in the hell do you think he wants the citizenship question on the census? Geez!

 

Didn't I just tell you that I saw this in passing? You are now on ignore.

 

Unfortunately, you chose the wrong poster to try to reason with. Because, believe it or not, @Hoosier8 actually does think that everybody who is not a citizen is here illegally.

 

I believe this to be true. The number of electors SHOULD be allocated based on the number of CITIZENS in the state, but that's not how it currently is being interpreted.

This is precisely why democrats are flooding illegal aliens into California, and resisting all efforts to stop them. They are using the promise of 'sanctuary cities' to draw them here. They are playing a flaw in the system to steal electors from red states and have them re-allocated to blue states giving them more power in federal elections.

These allocations will be in place for a decade, and it is very possible that the EC changes brought by the flooding of illegal aliens could cause our political pendulum to stop swinging left and right, and if that happens, it will herald the end of our republic.
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The citizenship question would be a necessary component to ever be able to address this issue. That is why opposition to it from democrats is so strong.

Really, the only reason to oppose the citizenship question is if you are in favor of people who have entered our country illegally being able to affect our federal elections, and that describes nearly every democrat on this forum.

 

Lot's of interesting data here. Asking a citizenship question ignores green card holders and others. The answer to the question "what will it be used for" boils down to an attempt to eliminate minority voters (undocumented people resident here, green card holders). The Supreme Court knows this. It is fun to watch the Trump lawyers trying to spin just the right words to slip one past court. Great idea, let's see if we can put one over on Roberts, he's not too bright. It really is funny.

 

If your response to being asked for a source is a hissy fit, then ignore is the only answer. Let me know if you rise above that and can back your claims up one day instead. Won't hold my breath.

 

Can green card holders and "undocumented people" vote in federal elections?

 

LOL, evidently you didn't read post #24 and have trouble with math.

 

It is just common sense to include a question about the citizenship in the census.Only American citizens are supposed to be counted and only American citizens are supposed to vote.

 

the truth is, many republicans states use labor from illegals and they don't want the question either, so it will never happen, they would lose too much federal funding as well as congressional power

 

Holy cow, let's clear this up shall we.

The primary purpose of the census is to determine, based on population (not citizenship), how many seats each state will have in the House and by extension, how many votes in the EC. But census data is used for other purposes as well, including the allocation of federal spending. That money helps pay for everything from public schools and Medicaid benefits to law enforcement and highway repairs. State and local governments use the data in similar ways, including setting the boundaries of legislative districts.
Adding the question is a central element of a Repub strategy to try to shift political boundaries to the party’s advantage when the states begin using the new census to redraw their district maps in 2021. It goes hand in hand with efforts to suppress the votes of targeted groups by enacting voting ID laws and with the national strategy of gerrymandering the GOP has been employing. All designed to combat the demographic trends that are shrinking the base of GOP voters. It also enables Repubs in Congress to ignore the will of the majority on any number of issues from climate to healthcare to gun control because gerrymandering has made their re-election all but a certainty.
IOW, the census question is about political power.

 

Key word is SUPPOSED

 

Allocation of EC delegates is directly predicated on the number of CONSTITUENTS residing in a district. Foreign nationals are prohibited from participating in federal elections, thus non citizens need to be excluded from EC tabulation. https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/allocation.html

 

Dodging is his M.O. He's only here to troll people

 

Only citizens can be designated CONSTITUENTS. Only CONSTITUENTS are entitled to representation. The EC represents CONSTITUENTS in presidential elections. EC delegates are allocated based on the census bureau's tabulation of CONSTITUENTS. https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/allocation.html

 

The same purpose for which it has been there for the 80 years preceding Obama to help us determine how many citizens and noncitizens reside in the country. Please note there are plenty of noncitizens in the country legally. If you are not offended by the government wanting to know how many bathrooms you have in your house why would citizenship questions offend you?

 

The question should be to actually quantify the real number of folks who live in this country that aren't citizens. that's a very simple question to answer, so why would you be so afraid of the answer? If political representation is based on citizens, I can see exactly why democrats are afraid of this.

 

"Only citizens can be designated CONSTITUENTS. Only CONSTITUENTS are entitled to representation.." What a racist, non-inclusive, xenophobic statement. Shame on you! EVERYBODY, ANYWHERE is entitle to vote, democrat...

 

The census is multi-purposed. You have listed one of those purposes. There are many more.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/what-is-the-census-definition-purpose.html

 

Number of illegals is estimated to be what 20M? Be interesting to see how far off this is.