Seven Year Old Girl Dies in Custody at the Border

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  1. notme

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    Again. If you want to make a point, go look it up yourself.
    Currently you're begging me to help you out.
    And I dunno why I should.
     
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  2. notme

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    It does wash, because they are responsible for her healthcare. I sourced that it is.
    And that her health was poor is rather obvious when she's vomiting all over the place.

    I already sourced that the US government is responsible for her health at the moment she was custody. And they had her vomit all over the place, waiting 8 hours before doing something. And all you can do is just never mind the law to pin the blame on some poor brown immigrant. So I'm going to call a spade a spade.
     
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    The VA hospitals should be required to provide medical care with in 8 hours.
     
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    Even starting on an uncertain process was taking too much risk, but that assumes he knew or should have known his daughter would not have adequate nourishment. Beyond that, I think we should determine if he had opportunities to take an exit ramp along the journey.
    Irrelevant.
     
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    I'm not seeing you proving me wrong anywhere so far.
     
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    Look at the way the administration responded to this tragic death of a little girl, with callous statements that basically blamed her and her family for her own death. We have to understand that these inhumane conditions are intentional. They're there to deter people who are coming into the United States just all these people's ancestors have, the administration is saying, 'no', we have created these poor camps and if somebody dies, well stuff happens.

    It seems you're just another uneducated when it comes to understanding what 'open borders' means. I'll take the time to properly explain it to you and you can take your time, read it slowly word by word, digest it, and perhaps for the very first time, you will really understand what the term means. First of all, the way Republicans present the idea of 'open borders' is in no way how the Democrats approach our southern border issues. It does not mean, no physical border crossings. It does not mean no border patrol. It does not mean no stopping people at the border, and it certainly does not mean that we should do absolutely nothing about illegal immigration and put up a 'Welcome to the U.S.A' billboard. Hoping you've understood what I've explained so far, I'll move along with what 'open borders' means.

    Obama had deported a record more than 2.5 million people between 2009 and 2015, including a record 438,421 people in 2013, and increased border patrol staff to a record 21,444 agents in 2011; his policy could not reasonably be described as ‘amnesty’ or ‘open borders.’ The Obama administration had deported more people than any other president's administration in history. In fact, Obama's administration had deported more than the sum of all the presidents of the 20th century. Trump has deported far less illegals in his first year in office than Barack Obama had. Are you surprised or disbelieving? It's easy to fact-check my numbers, very easy indeed, so do that.

    A border wall is costly and not the most effective tool to combat illegal immigration and crime. Rather thanan costly concrete border wall costing billions and billions of taxpayer money there are other types of better options such as barriers, technology, increases in border personnel and other improvements. These are more effective and far less expensive. In 2013, every single Democrat in the Senate voted for the so-called 'Gang of Eight' immigration overhaul bill that would have provided about $40 billion for border enforcement, including deploying thousands more agents and building 700 miles of fencing. Back in 2006, 26 Senate Democrats voted to build 700 miles of walls and fences on the southwestern border.

    Does this clarify your misinterpretation of 'open borders' yet? I'd also like to point out that this year all 193 Democrats in the House have signed onto a proposal that “enhances technology used to monitor the border, and provides $110 million in grants annually for collaboration between local law enforcement and Border Patrol agents.

    The U.S. doesn't want to help those people seeking asylum, not at all. Look at the way the administration responded to this tragic death of a little girl with only callous statements that basically blamed her and her family for her own death. We have to understand that these inhumane conditions are intentionally created by Trump's administration. They're there to deter people who are coming into the United States, just as all these people's ancestors have. The administration is simply saying, 'no'. We have created these poor camps and if somebody dies, well... stuff happens. The law says the U.S. cannot detail a child for more than 20 days yet some children have been in detention camps for 3, 6 or 8 months.
     
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    The link in the OP reads: Jakelin's father complained that the 7-year-old was sick and vomiting.
    Thanks for playing, you lose.
     
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    You got no sources to dispute my source. So.. go cry me a river, buddy.
     
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    Phooey.

    They would not have had health care if it was not bailed out by the USA taxpayer dollars that financed the Marshall Plan. History clearly proves it.
     
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    And they still are. The US is responsible for 100.000's of Iraqi children who died because of their oil for "food" program. Currently the US supports the massacre of 10.000's of children in Yemen, also by starvation.
     
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    "Guatemalan Consul Tekandi Paniagua tells CNN’s @edlavaCNN he met extensively with the father of 7-year-old Jakelin Caal Maquin Friday night in El Paso. Paniagua says the father of Jakelin has 'no complaints about how Border Patrol agents treated him and his daughter.'” Jake Tapper.

    WaPo's reckless, yellow journalism is why we hate journalists so very, very much.
     
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    History proves that the "miraculous" recovery of Europe was already underway before the US started with that plan in 1951. The US gave something like a 100 billion in them days, adjusted to todays worth. While the economy of Europe is above 10 trillion.... thats like 1%. But go ahead and think it's a full 100%.
     
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    War is hell for everybody in it. People die. People get maimed. People suffer terribly. Children die. Children get maimed. Children suffer terribly.

    I'd have no objection if they dug up LBJ and burned him for what he done.
     
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    You also have a border known as an OCEAN! Ain't nobody jumping your borders in the middle of the night unless they managed to swim thousands of miles.
     
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    As if.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phan_Thi_Kim_Phuc

    Rather despicable to call this fake. She, as a child, suffered horrible, and still does because of them baby killing Americans
     
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    They should have killed LBJ and burned him in 1965.
     
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    The father told CBP his daughter was vomiting just before they got on the bus to make the 95 mile trip to a larger facility. There the girl received medical attention and found to have brain swelling and liver failure. The seriousness of her illness doesn't happen within 9 hours and certainly not from dehydration. I do hope their is an investigation but I'm betting what will be determined is the girl had been sick for quite sometime possibly from Reyes Syndrome which effects children her age and causes the same symptoms.
     
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    Point is that there is nothing honorable about the US army. It was all fine and dandy in WWII.
    And than they went on to just throw napalm bombs at civilians towns, starve children to death in Iraq and in now in Jemen.

    Where the US has a "massive" problem with Assad throwing a barrel of fuel on a town.
    As if it's 10 times worse what the US did. Utterly hypocritical.
     
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    Actually it was JFK who refused to listen to his elders and got America involved in a shooting war in Vietnam.

    LBJ was guilty of micromanaging the air war over North Vietnam.
    If LBJ hadn't micromanaged the war, the war would have been won and over in 1965.

    The Vietnam War could have been won and brought to an end three times...1965, 1968 and 1969.

    It wasn't until late 1972 and early 1973 that Nixon got it right.

     
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    Thank goodness we have you to sweep away the need for an investigation. :rolleyes:
     
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    Kennedy was good and dead. LBJ could have put a stop to it instead of escalating it. A lot of guys thought Nixon lied and was never going to stop it, and so didn't reup.

    Everywhere in the world except here they say the Ho Chi Minh defeated America.
     
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    Me too. I started shooting when I was ten. Nothing like a kid that knows their way around guns.
     
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    TLDR. It's probably nonsense anyway.
     
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    Wikipedia isn't a reliable source when it comes to history.

    Wikipedia adopted cultural-marxist revisionist history almost ten years ago.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Phan_Thi_Kim_Phuc#US_involved_or_not?



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