Shoigu- US Mercenaries Plan False Flag Chem. Attack In Donbas

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  1. Jeannette

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    Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu claimed on Tuesday at a meeting with Putin and Gerasimov, that there are more than 120 employees of US private military companies operating in the region working with Ukrainian special forces.

    Shoigu said that they're preparing a false flag attack and that containers with “unidentified chemical components” have been delivered to the cities of Avdeevka and Krasny Liman in Donbass in order to stage provocations. He did not provide any further evidence, but that's understandable since it would reveal sources.

    I know that some neo con writers in Washington have said that they would like to see Ukraine go to war with Russia and we know from experience, that the neo cons get what the neo cons want. This fits in with my belief that all the hype about Russia being ready to attack Ukraine is that Kiev is planning an attack on the people of Donetsk and Lugansk.

    It was
    when Putin was at the Games in China that Georgia attacked and killed the civilians and Russian peacekeepers in S. Ossetia, and it was during the games at Socchi that the US instigated nationalists from W. Ukraine held their protests and coup in Kiev.

    This is not the first time Russia has revealed a potential false flag chemical attack in order to evert it. They did so at least once before in Syria.

    "...Containers with “unidentified chemical components” have been delivered to the cities of Avdeevka and Krasny Liman in Donbass in order to stage provocations, Shoigu said, at Tuesday’s meeting of the Defense Ministry board, in Moscow, attended by President Vladimir Putin..."

    https://www.rt.com/russia/543861-us-pmc-chemical-provocation-ukraine/
     
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    Western peoples are too dumb to understand WWIII is coming
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They are dumbed down by the MSM. I was appalled with my government when Putin said that Russia and the US were such close allies that there were even CIA agents in their government and at their nuclear sites, and yet at the same time Washington was back stabbing and aiding terrorists to kill Russians in the Chechnyan wars.

    The treachery by Washington is unbelievable. When did we turn into a nation of hypocrites and liars? It's not the America I was raised in. Vladimir Putin sounds so frustrated because no matter what he does to avoid a World War, it is to no avail.


     
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    You shall call the scum rightly, not MSM, but whores presstitutes.
     
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    RT....Russia Insight(especially RI)....basically a wing nut video sight run by Kremlin $hithouse....

    It's probably Kremlin chimp that planning chemical attack and trying to blame US....:roflol:
     
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    Yes..sure...ive even read that there is attack helos, artillery,more Javelins....even attack drones....but Jack $hit for proof of these....:)).
     
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    I couldn't help but notice that Russia can talk about the situation in public but can't stop it?! They can't do a thing to stop it?
     
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    These days there are a lot of "war hawk" Democrats with that same mentality.

    Several of these "neo cons" have even switched over sides from the Republican Party to the moderate wing of the Democrat Party, which I suppose should not really be all that surprising.
     
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    Let's keep the next World War in Europe where the last two began. Hopefully sleepy Joe Biden would agree with this plan.
     
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    I wouldn't believe Putin if he said Tuesday follows Monday without checking his facts carefully.
     
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    That's what Paul Craig Roberts always called them. Seems like Vladimir Putin is finally losing his cool with the US its lies and manipulation and it doesn't look good for the world. The situation is very serious and the Europeans will be the sacrificial sheep. Oh well!






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    mistake
     
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    I am totally here!
     
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    Paul Craig Roberts who was part of the Reagan administration, said years ago that a war between Russia and Europe was the neo liberal/cons dream right from the start.
    I have never found Putin to lie, while our government and media has never stopped lying. But then again, I do read a lot and from various sources and have a very, very long memory. So it gives me an advantage.


    He's not talking to the public, he's talking to the Duma. Seems he's making his case to the Russian people that Moscow's being left with no alternative other than war - something that he has been trying to avoid for years.

    Unlike our leaders, he's a Statesman and not a sociopath and knows what war entails - thus his frustration.

     
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    Putin is convincing his people that war is required? Wow... war is the last resort of the incompetent.
     
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    A war between Russians and Europeans. I'd pay to watch it on pay per view but please don't ask us Americans to send money or troops.
     
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    That says a lot about the US and NATO pushing East, now doesn't it. Seems it's the West with 'little man syndrome' and the Russians have kept their cool for as long as they can stand. I don't blame them. They won't attack unless NATO/US starts noodling in Ukraine just a little too much. If the morons in Kiev launch a full-on attack in the Donbass, you can kiss Ukie goodbye...along with any NATO troops in the way.

    Some of you don't believe a thing Putin says, but I suppose you still believe that WMDs will be found in Iraq, the US wasn't arming terrorists in Syria, and the Russians elected Trump operating out of the Miami Consulate per the Steele Dossier.
     
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    Already sent a few billion to Ukraine. Of course it wasn't used what it was meant for but that shouldn't surprise anyone.
     
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    We have a Brigade Combat Team in Ukraine... about 3,300 troops. We just sent them in November. This will get out of control.
     
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    Then you feel that we shouldn't have stopped Nazi Germany even though they imposed a threat on other nations?
     
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    How do you reach such an outrageous,illogical conclusion as that? I said war is the last resort of the incompetent. War is wrong. So is robbing a liquor store.But DEFENDING a liquor store under attack is logical and necessary. Defending a nation, or even oneself, is the same. Deciding to START a war is just wrong. Self defense is totally justified when faced with the nutty act of war by an outside entity.
     
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    Kiss them goodbye then. We've got no business there, especially training nazis aka Ukraine's special ops AZOV.

    Didn't have any business in Vietnam either...and we all know how that turned out. Sometimes it's best to mind your own damn business instead of everyone else's.

    If Ukraine would abide by the Minsk Agreements....that they agreed to and signed with France and Germany's oversight...then this conflict would be over instantly.

    But the Ukies are corrupt little bastards and they are doing nothing more than exploiting US ignorance to get free cash.

    Just remember, when **** hits the fan, it will be the US's support of Ukrainian Nazis that started it all.
     
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    Nothing will get out of control, because the minute the Russians enter the Americans will run out as we usually do. It's the sociopath way, let others fight and die - just for the sake of it.

    Anyway the purpose of advertising the false flag chemical attack, was to stop the Ukrainian provocation. The neo/liberal cons, will just have to find another way to start the war.
     
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    Well... it turns out that YOU are not in charge. The ELECTED representatives in Congress and the guy in the White House make the decisions. I lived through the Viet Nam War... I was in uniform during much of it. At the time, containing Communism was a good idea at the time. Hindsight is always 20-20 and its so easy to condemn after the fact. Such has always been and always will be.

    You obviously have significant ties to the Ukraine and its neighbors. I respect that. But you must understand that the endless minor intrigues within the Ukraine you describe (and we appreciate the info, we really do) ... don't influence us much. This is a power play by Russia that effects the west. That is the perspective that drives the train of NATO and America. The actions of a gang or two inside Ukraine really aren't on the radar.
     
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    Much of what's happened in Ukraine and East Europe is attributed to the Russkis....no one wants to be hitched to the Russki wagon...grinding poverty,subjugation..forced Russification,oppression,etc.

    Russia has already attacked...and are attacking....they gambled and lost in DPR....Putler doesn't like it ....seems like Neverussia is an epic fail.

    Crimea....like I said before ...was bribed.

    Why shouldn't Kyiv attempt to recover lost land....Russia invaded and occupied....something that's difficult for you to comprehend?
     
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