Short list of all the countries that influenced the election for Clinton

I don't know what a "lib" is, but I am not one.

I don't even follow that logic, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Why would I fight the Putin's on the world stage when in my own backyard Putins exist? As far as I'm concerned, a minority president won power and doesn't have sufficient claims to deserving to rule.

 

Hillary Clinton campaign totals 13 fundraisers in foreign ...
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While Clinton benefits from many ... Donors at these events presumably are U.S. citizens who currently live in the countries ... See the Clinton campaign’s foreign ...

 

one did not just say they prefer one over the other. They actively tried to make the case that trump was incompentent and should not be voted for.

The Pope said Trump was not christian. The other quotes are there for you to read.

 

So if someone hacked Trump email that embarrassed or incriminated him during the election you would be equally as abhorred. Gimme a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing break. I on the other hand want the facts and if Trump was hacked and it revealed misdeeds I'd be abhorred over his acts not who hacked his emails. That in a nutshell is the defining difference between you and me, between Conservatives and liberals, between good and evil.

 

Posters who compare Trump to Hitler on a daily basis.... Media caricatures like that idiot Chris Matthews, doing the same thing.

My logic is quite simple, your "the average voter is educated but Trump won due to WikiLeaks information" claim is utterly illogical and self-contradictory. My logic is that an infinitely bigger number of foreign countries, leaders and dignitaries interfered in the election on Hillary's side than on Trump's and that the exposure of factual information hidden by the elites from the public strengthens, not undermines democracy.

 

Oh really? Trump's tax returns were illegally leaked and illegally published by the NYT, where were you then, clapping in approval I suppose.

PS Truth strengthen democracy regardless of how it is obtained and the perpetrators should be punished, these are two totally separate things. If the Obama administration utterly failed to deal with criminals it's their fault, not the American people or Trump's

 

Who? Who did that?

Is that all you have? The Pope said something, someone said something?

 

If the information was obtained illegally, yes. Those are bad.

So you had no problems with release of the Trump videos talking about how he would sexually assault a woman? I don't know if that's the logic you want to go behind. Chances are no, you don't.

 

Yes, and I have spent the last 6 or so years telling people to stop comparing Obama to Hitler. I'm doing the same now. Either be the change you believe in or accept the status quo.

I'm not making that claim. I'm saying there was a campaign to discredit our democracy/get Trump elected.

1. There are set number of countries in the world.
2. Prove that. Prove that there was an international conspiracy, otherwise you're being a political hack and conspiracy theorist.

 

Maybe Israel "hacked" the DNC and framed Russia, in retaliation for The Obama sending American tax dollars and goons to influence their sovereign election?

 

No I was upset with that. Glad to have it sure, but upset at the means to the end.

I don't know if you can make that claim, seeing as how Trump advocates for sexual assault. Part of democracy is respect for the rule of law. Pretty hard to argue that the truth strengthened democracy when it did take away from it.

 

LOL, too bad your side compares Trump to Hitler like 1000 a day with your obvious and clear even if tacit approval. That was pretty lame though, revealed your bias which you're trying to conceal.

 

You were? No offence but who cares. The libs, all Trump haters wholeheartedly and giddily embraced the illegally leaked and illegally published Trump's tax returns and what's good for the goose is good for the gander, this whining of the illegality of WikiLeaks sources is laughable and utterly hypocritical, especially given the fact that they are 100% accurate.

Jeez, do you believe this yourself or you expect to convince others with this childish nonsense. Based on this nonsense, any locker room conversation is an advocacy for sexual assault.... and I don't just mean male locker rooms, things are worse in female ones lol

 

Kinda ignored the second half of that message didn't you? Here let me post it again:
"I'm doing the same now. Either be the change you believe in or accept the status quo. "

I don't like when people compare modern political positions to a dead ideology to a time that has passed, when the ideology is responsible for killing millions of people. I try to stop it. I'm busy so I don't catch all. But I don't make Nazi comparisons unless very specific criteria is met.

 

The entire fallacy of your argument rests on you caring about my "hypocrisy".

Cool? I don't really care about those kinds of people.

If by locker talk you mean advocating for sexual assault then yes it is. Only difference is that it got caught on camera.

 

Obviously not your personally, the Trump-hate mob fully embraced illegally leaked and illegally published Trump's tax return and is in no position to whine about WikiLeaks's exposure of facts about the DNC/media collusion, corruption and machinations.

Fine, it's certainly your prerogative to regard every locker room conversation as sexual assault advocacy.

 

I did not ignore anything, the Trump-hate mob is comparing Trump to Hitler 1000 every day with your tacit approval which your defense of similar attacks on Obama makes even more one sided and intellectually dishonest.

 

No they didn't. Some did, others are like myself who saw it as an unjust means to the end. People want democracy to work out in the end.

Is it my prerogative to feel safe in public when I am vulnerable? I guess it is. Thanks for summing up my position nicely.

 

For Trump? You think he requested it?

Hacking is a crime but it sure is a whole lot easier when your mark is an idiot. The election was not compromised, no machines were affected in any way, the people made their choice with the information available to them at the time and with the left accepting the validity of the result.

Until they lost. Now there's a lot of angst about the result mixed in with the reality that a foreign power we aren't on especially good terms with has done what we've done again and again and completed some espionage.

You know what's a crime? Hacking into Iranian government systems and destroying valuable centrifuges.

 

LOL, none of Trump haters, not a single person objected to the illegal leak of Trump's tax returns and illegal publishing of them by the NYT, none called for an investigation, none claimed rigged elections. Vice versa, the libs unanimously and giddily embraced the crime. Sorry, cased closed.

 

I hate Trump yet I object. Why are you making absolute claims?

 

The more I think about these countries that "influenced" the election for Clinton, the more I believe they believe globalism is important to both foreign relations, and trade. Which, in itself, is a no-brainer.

 

Wow..despite all that, Former president Obama was the great divider?

 

Prove me wrong, show liberal objections to the usage of illegally leaked, illegally obtained and illegally published Trump's tax returns.

 

Releasing the truth to the public is now terrorism but Manning gets his sentence commuted and thats a good thing