Should Biden Mandate that Food Stamp & Welfare Recipients get Vaccinated?

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I realize this is a HUGE blow to that ego but just because you think something, doesn't make it so.
You THINK not getting a vaccine should be criminal
It isn't
You THINK it should be illegal for individuals to own a gun
It isn't
You THINK SCOTUS rulings are wrong but yours are right
Its not
You THINK people refuse the vaccine just to be political
They aren't
You THINK the vaccine protects you from Covid
It doesn't
Sorry

 

Well... given the downward trend of Covid cases and Covid deaths since January, one of two things is protecting us from Covid. It's either the vaccine, or Trump not being President.

One of the two has saved a lot of lives. It's a toss up for me as to which one. Most likely both.

 

Not exactly sure what that means but many vaccinated are exposed to the virus and are spreading it. That's what they call asymptomatic infection and most of the vaccinated with asymptomatic infections are not being tested and, therefore, are technically not testing positive because they weren't tested because they are vaccinated and not having any symptoms, even though they actually are positive for the virus and spreading it.

 

The best we can do is mandate vaccines and do our best to sell them. If you make them illegal to refuse, then the state owns your body.

I'm a liberal, but I have enough libertarian in me to say NO to that, because once you go down that road, where will it lead?

If you go to a house, with a sheriff and guns, and pin people down and force them to take a shot, the repercussions will be really bad. Or, even if you put people in jail for not taking shots, that's just insane. It really is. That would trigger drastic repercussions and could conceivably result in massive uprisings.

Mandates are the best we can do, mandates are moral, mandates give incentives, they give a choice, a hard choice, but that's not the same as force, force is tyranny. I got my shots, by the way. I support the vaccinations, but not tyranny.

 

Uh nope. Republicans in some cases do want the baby protected from the mother.

 

Both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated spread the virus. To think that the vaccinated do not spread the virus is what is keeping this thing going.

https://news.yahoo.com/highly-vaccinated-vermont-more-covid-152537112.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

"The highly contagious delta variant is still one of the main factors affecting cases in Vermont, as it has been for most of the year, Levine said. The variant has even been able to spread among vaccinated people."

This is because the vaccines do nothing to help stop the spread of the Delta variant.

 

Methinks its authoritarian when you and any other passionate pro murder of GOD's children to give any pregnant woman the right to snuff out one of GOD's children, and often to do it without the knowledge of or even the acceptance to do so from the potential father-to-be of that murdered life. If a woman thinks so little of the potential life of her pregnancy then she probably thinks very little of her own body and life as well. If that's the case and she's just fine with killing her pregnant fetus, then she should be just as fine with committing suicide as well.

 

Force would mean illegal or refuse, Mandates do not do that, they give a choice.
Abortions do not threaten the health of the nation.
So, not a valid comparison.

Now you're making stuff up. Mandates apply to blacks, just like everyone else.

The pandemic poses an existential threat to the nation, and mandates are warranted for public safety.

Just be thankful the government doesn't make refusing vaccines illegal.

 

The president has no authority to quarantine unvaccinated people.

 

All diseases, if acquired, give better immunity than the vaccine, this is not news.

Where your logic is specious, because if we chose the path to herd immunity without vaccines, far more people would be dead than with the vaccines on the road to herd immunity. The idea that a disease imparts better immunity than the vaccines means you have to get the disease where risk of death is something like 1 in 95 or so. Among the vaccinated, risk of not dying improves greatly. The whole idea of vaccines is not to get the disease in the first place and thus improve one's chances of survival. There is breakthrough on all vaccines, but guess what, the breakthrough cases do not wind up dead nor in the ICU, and get this: those people's immune system will be stronger than getting the disease without the shot, or getting the shot without the disease.

 

COVID cases and deaths are rising in Kalifornicator where there is a disastrous democrat governor, while COVID cases and deaths are at its lowest rate throughout the nation in the state of Florida where we have a Republican governor. And in Kalifornicator the rise in COVID deaths comes from a state where more people are vaccinated than anywhere else. So, explain to me how the vaccine or Trump not being president has saved lots of lives.

https://republicandaily.com/2021/11/california-has-double-the-covid-rate-of-florida/

 

I don't understand how there could be a mandate if it's not illegal. But then who is responsible if a child dies because the government forces them to go to school, and their parents "chose" not to get them the vaccine? I would say the government bears much of the responsibility. And the parents should be criminally responsible.

Your argument implies, not only that education should not be mandatory, but that the government can't force people to wear seat belts, or to be searched before boarding an airplane, or... so many other things that are done, not to keep you safe, but to keep others safe FROM YOU.

 

I am not against the Covid vaccine and anyone who wants it should be able to receive it without question.
I am not an anti vaxxer. I have kids who have been vaccinated and I am prior military where vaccination requirements are without exception.
There is not doubt the Covid vaccine provides a level of protection not available to unvaccinated individuals who never had the virus.

Where I take issue is
The government mandating vaccines.
Government mandates that refuse to recognize pre infection immunity.
Loosing thousands of Law Enforcement, Medical staff, Fire fighters, and federal employees over Government mandates when they were the first on the scene to help and protect those infected, thus infecting themselves.
Biden stonewalling any information showing pre infection immunity to US citizens
Accusations of long term effects of Covid (if any even exist) (and we have no idea if any exist) on unvaccinated individuals like it doesn't effect (if it exist) anyone who gets Covid
Not enforcing these Government mandates to illegals and flying thousands of infected illegals to states in the middle of the night all over the country.

 

You think Mandating you take a vaccine or loose your livelihood is a choice? If you don't take the vaccine, we will impair your ability to keep you home, cars, and feed your kids and you think thats a choice?
Thats the actions of a communist nation.

That wasn't the comparison and you know this. The comparison was differed views for continence.
The left screams about my body my choice then tells you, you should be jailed for not taking the shot as commanded.

That wasn't the statement. The statement was 65% of Blacks and Latinos refuse vaccination without persecution with claims from the left that only conservatives are unvaccinated

Just a few minutes ago you thought it was tyranny. Now I should be thankful? They need to pray to whatever God they pray too, that doesn't happen.

 

It hasn't existed by any stretch for more than 80 years when they brought in the military draft we still have. I suppose you oppose that, too, no matter how dire the situation is for the country.

Quarantines? Should the government be able quarantine people who have drug resistant TB?

 

The 'mandates' are just choice, get vaxxed or get tested every week, or get vaxxed or find a civilian job.

You don't inject seatbelts into the body. You don't go to jail for not wearing them, it's an infraction, a cheap fine.
If you refuse a search at the airport, you don't go to jail, you just are turned away.

That is the difference. You are suggesting state ownership of out bodies. I have to draw the line, there.

In a free country, some free choices are going to cause death.

That has always been true, and will always be true.

There's only so much the state can do without resorting to the state's tyrannical takeover of our bodies.

Your body is your private sanctuary, if you say the state can force this or that into your body, where does that policy end?

What you are suggesting is insidious. Alluring in the short run, but dangerous down the road.

No.

Mandates are not force, at least in the sense that you don't go to jail if you do not choose to do it, you just pay some consequence.

Mandates. si, Jail, no.

 

What party? Both partys recomend getting the vaccine. Which is fine. Im only opposed to forcing or coercing people to take it.

 

Good grief. I said the vaccine protects people from contracting covid and offered that you're not spreading covid if you don't get it. You have issues with those to assertions.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
They don't.

YES! I care so much about human life that I don't want to see humans slowly tortured to death when they CHOOSE to end the suffering and EXPENSE early..

Unborn children do NOT belong to some mythical creation.

They belong to, and are part of, the woman they are in.

They do NOT belong to "god" and certainly don't belong to YOU.

YES, Democrats care about human life EVEN WOMEN'S....and Repubs do NOT.

Thanks for showing "us" just how little of an argument you have....just silly insults

You couldn't refute it nor even address my post

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Uh, authoritarian is when you take away women's right to their own bodies and force them to gestate like cattle.....a TOTALY REPUBLICAN thing.

That does NOT refute one word of the post of mine you quoted.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Uh, authoritarian is when you take away women's right to their own bodies and force them to gestate like cattle.....a TOTALY REPUBLICAN thing.

.."in some cases' ??? so you think some "precious lives " are OK to NOT protect?


AND you did NOT refute one word of my posts you quoted......and remember, you said if someone talks about abortion they love it ...

 

How many parents do you want to arrest for children dying of the flu? You were crying about mask and vaccine mandates before or jailing parents.

Nationally, childrens' deaths account for .079% of all COVID death
544 children have died from COVID TO DATE
Nationally, children's deaths made up 1.9% of national flu deaths
434 children died from the flu last season

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Uh, authoritarian is when you take away women's right to their own bodies and force them to gestate like cattle.....a TOTALY REPUBLICAN thing.

LOL, what a bunch of incoherent hyperbole.....and nary a word refutes my post

 

Ok. So we can agree that people who refuse to get a vaccine should be fined. That's a possible compromise. But if you drive with a child in the back, and you don't secure them with a seatbelt, or a child's seat, you can be held criminally accountable if they die in an accident. And that's what should be criminalized. If a parent doesn't have their child vaccinated, and that child dies of Covid, the parent should be held criminally responsible for their negligence.