Should trans individuals be banned from teaching grade-high school?

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Should trans individuals be banned from teaching grade-high school?

  1. Yes - In public schoools only

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  2. Yes - In All school

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  3. No - Maybe in private school

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  4. No - In all schools.

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  1. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The schools should follow employment law.
     
  2. Doofenshmirtz

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    I said no because I survived Los Angeles School District and many of my teachers were awful. Performance should be the only criteria.
     
  3. Josh77

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    I can’t wait until we can do away with humans teaching, and just let AI handle it, so we don’t have to deal with stupid issues like this.
     
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    I do not agree and honestly do not see why it would. I think youbare just projecting your own insecurities onto children.

    Not necessarily. It most typically just means you do not identify with the gender you born with (1) and identify more with the other (2).

    I have a worked at an elementary school where a girl was talking to me about a transgender celebrity and said; "actually she is a he, but he wants to be a she, so I think it would not be nice to call her he, so I just say she... Because that's nicer." :laughing:

    I don't know. She seemed to get it without any problems. In general, children are much more open minded than adults.
     
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  5. gfm7175

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    There is no such thing as a "trans" individual, and mentally ill people shouldn't be confusing children with their own confusion... and shouldn't be using the "trans" label to gain access to children, or to women in bathrooms/locker rooms.
     
  6. FreshAir

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    "Should trans individuals be banned from teaching grade-high school?"

    no, but like heterosexuals, they should not be allowed to teach in bondage attire, IE sexual attire
     
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    Yes, they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children as a rule.
     
  8. FreshAir

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    I thought this was coming, but after covid and the Republican response to homeschooling, I think it's been pushed back indefinitely - Republicans say it's harmful to children

    I think introverts would have no issue learnign remotely, extraverts would hate it
     
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    Well I do not agree that just because someone wants / wishes to be a different gender than the one is born in does not make it a reality. Maybe this example is not exactly the same but just because someone wants to be a race other than one was born in does not make it so. Obviously the “desire” of different gender issue is way more impactful on those people than a someone who wants to be a different race neither is able to change what they were born as.
     
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  10. conservaliberal

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    Completely private schools, and only those that do not receive any public funding of any kind, should be allowed to hire any type of teacher they want, whether they are transexual, bi-sexual, or whatever. After all, if all the funding for them comes in the form of tuition paid by parents, guardians, or other private citizens, then obviously they approve of whatever kind of teachers are on the faculty of completely private schools.

    Public schools are entirely different. No agenda regarding sexuality should even be mentioned at all by anyone on the payroll in any capacity at a publicly funded school. The official "line" should be only the one that has been obvious ever since the beginning of life on this planet, and that in normal individuals there are males, females, and nothing else of any real importance.
     
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    Okay. I agree somewhat. But what if a male dresses as a female, but not in any sexual way. Just normal dress?
     
  12. dairyair

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    Why?
    Are they scary?
    Or is it you just are against some people?
     
  13. dairyair

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    Do you think all teachers go into teaching have an agend a to teach sexuality?
    Or is it only transgender want to teach sexuality/

    Should teachers not dress as male or female but as gender neutral. So they aren't expressing their sexuality?
     
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    In my opinion, teachers should teach the subjects they were hired to teach, not to push any kind of agenda, whether those are about sexual orientation, society in general, or anything other than the subjects they are supposed to be qualified to teach about.

    But, sure, if teachers want to dress "gender neutral" in public schools, or in private schools where there is no "dress code", that should be acceptable. I mean, it would probably mean having to choose clothes that would make a teacher look like one of the cadres of the old Chinese Communist Party, but at least it wouldn't be screaming to "make a statement".

    [​IMG]. Male or female teachers? It's not relevant.
     
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    No. However, below a certain stage in developement, 'you might be trans too' is an innappropriate and disruptive concept to be teaching kids. Trans people can teach, no issue there. Anyone trying to introduce sexually immature children to identify or reidentify their sexuality should be removed from the company of children, whether they are trans or not.
     
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    Teachers do teach the subject they are hired to do.
    But in reality, they still live life, students live life. Life is a learning process and a teaching process.

    Being oneself is NOT pushing any agenda. Don't know how this stuff comes about.

    Now, there's nothing 100%, there's always some rogue people everywhere. It's also this thing called life.

    Individuality is what the USA is about.
     
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    Keep em out of religious teachings then.
     
  18. conservaliberal

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    No teacher in a publicly-funded school should construe terms of employment employment to include making a spectacle out of themselves to the captive student audience. Putting one's sexuality "on parade" is self-indulgence that should not be tolerated in any public school, but as I said, private schools which do not receive public funding are a different matter.

    Life is a learning experience, as you say. But as you surely know, learning in public schools is arranged to provide focus on specific subjects, and those are what require attention, not all this other peripheral stuff that hasn't got anything to do with the subject being taught. Teachers and students can "be themselves" in their private lives, but in a public school the only thing that should have any attention paid to it at all is the subject being studied.
     
  19. yardmeat

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    By that logic, no straight teacher should wear a wedding ring or have a photo of their spouse on their desk.
     
  20. dairyair

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    What is a spectacle of oneself?
    I don't follow.

    If a man dresses like a man, a woman dresses like a woman, they are putting one's 'sexuality', on parade. To use your terms. It's just that you agree with that.

    You still prefer teachers dress like you posted earlier from Communist China?
     
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    I can't help but agree with you about having pictures related to one's personal life at the workplace, but a wedding ring is an indication of status in society, not one's particular sexual "plumbing".

    IOW, a gay teacher, "male" or "female", can wear a wedding ring, and that's fine. In itself, all the wedding ring itself connotes is a status of the person being married. Hopefully you see the difference? The ring has nothing to do with being straight, gay, or anything else except being married.
     
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    Let's just put robots for teachers.
    Like another posted, can't wait for AI to teach.

    Then all those nothing to worry about things won't be there to worry about anymore.
     
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    In a society like the one you seem to favor, perhaps the best thing would be for all employees, including teachers, in all publicly-funded institutions to dress like "Chairman Mao". If I suggest that employees in those publicly-funded institutions should dress in accordance with normal social convention so that they do not draw undue attention on themselves, that should suffice in discussing the dress of teachers in publicly-funded schools also.

    I'm not saying that men have to wear suits and neckties, and I'm not suggesting that all women must wear dresses. But when men deliberately dress like women, and women deliberately dress like men, then according to social norms that have prevailed throughout human history, those individuals do make "spectacles of themselves", and they certainly appear to do so in order to "make a statement". Surely, there's an "agenda" in promoting and engaging in that kind of thing.
     
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    A few years ago I would have disagreed with you about AI robots being well-suited to function well as teachers, but today I can see how they might do a much better job of actually teaching the kids something useful. After all, given the sad state of public education today, how could the AI robots do any worse than we already have?
     
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    I don't think it is rational or desirable for teachers to shield each and every personal detail from their lives from their students.
     

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